NilSatisOptimum
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Walking around with a permanent hard on at the thought of war.
Trouble is, he is in Chamberlain position, not some back bench has been, as Churchill was before war broke out. History repeats itself...
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Trouble is, he is in Chamberlain position, not some back bench has been, as Churchill was before war broke out. History repeats itself...
Diogenes the Cynic
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Straight out of Covid into WWIV.
Interesting times.
Interesting times.
Ghost Rider
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Problem about war with super powers in the modern day is that unlike the past, we are at the point of finality.
Declare war on Russia and warfare can be over in days for both sides.
It's why we won't see another world war for long time. Even the victors lose now when your country can be completely wiped out in a blink of an eye whilst you reach for your own button.
Declare war on Russia and warfare can be over in days for both sides.
It's why we won't see another world war for long time. Even the victors lose now when your country can be completely wiped out in a blink of an eye whilst you reach for your own button.
bluelife
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Did I miss 3?
Runub
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I was going to say that but didn’t want to start WWV
Martin Alvito
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This is exactly what the major European powers thought in the summer of 1914. They thought they were signing up for a war that would run days, or weeks at the most, because that's how they had gone for the last fifty years or so.
Nuclear deterrence has held so far. It doesn't necessarily follow that it always will. I tend to think that the US and UK won't declare war in the event of invasion, but I don't even begin to approach your level of certainty.
peteblue
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I see Germany have rushed to Ukraine’s aid with the offer of 5,000 helmets.
“ Kiev mayor Vitali Klitschko has branded Germany's latest offer of 5,000 helmets to Ukraine a 'joke' in the latest swipe at Olaf Scholz's lack of support for the threatened country.
The former boxer said he was left 'speechless' by Germany over their refusal to give substantial military aid and drop their support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline while Russian troops continue to amass on Ukraine's border.
He told Bild: 'The behaviour of the German government leaves me speechless.
'The defence ministry apparently hasn't realised that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time
'What kind of support will Germany send next. Pillows?”…….
“ Kiev mayor Vitali Klitschko has branded Germany's latest offer of 5,000 helmets to Ukraine a 'joke' in the latest swipe at Olaf Scholz's lack of support for the threatened country.
The former boxer said he was left 'speechless' by Germany over their refusal to give substantial military aid and drop their support for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline while Russian troops continue to amass on Ukraine's border.
He told Bild: 'The behaviour of the German government leaves me speechless.
'The defence ministry apparently hasn't realised that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time
'What kind of support will Germany send next. Pillows?”…….
Ghost Rider
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There is a huge difference between the world wars and now, when you can drop a bomb and completely wipe out cities in an instant , not quite the same as fighting over terratory as it was before.
Don't get me wrong, there will be another world war one day. It's inevitable that there will be a breaking point one day in the future for whatever the reason ends up being. I couldn't even fathom what that breaking point could be!
Just given the concequences of what a war is for countries like us, Russia , America etc directly , nobody would be mad enough to press that button unless they felt there was no other choice anymore.
Diogenes the Cynic
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Possibly...
I was certain there'd been 3 World Wars when i wrote that post in the pub earlier.
Let's call it another win for the good guys, history is written by the victors.
Or German soldiers as they are better known.
bluenorsky
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Dr Strangelove.
NilSatisOptimum
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Yeh that Corbyn and his world war 3.
Martin Alvito
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It's not the first time since 2014, and saber-rattling only works if you first pose a credible threat to invade.
This is a really good move, by the way:
Statement by Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield on the UN Security Council Meeting on the Situation on Ukraine’s Borders
Today, after weeks of close consultation with Ukraine and partners on the Security Council, the United States called an open meeting of the Security Council to discuss a matter of crucial importance to international peace and security: Russia’s threatening behavior against Ukraine and the...
This risked catching some blame for provocation should Moscow invade over the weekend, but their return rhetoric (dismissing this as a stunt) undermines that. If they do invade, then obviously it wasn't a stunt. The rhetoric therefore tends to imply that they won't invade until after the meeting.
It will be very interesting to see how Putin plays this one on Monday. If he publicly commits to diplomacy, then invades, that's hard to walk back. That puts Biden in a position to mend fences within NATO afterwards, because Moscow will very obviously be both a threat and untrustworthy.
If Putin ultimately backs down after the meeting, Biden gets the credit. He looks strong, having defused the threat likely without making concessions, and diplomacy comes off looking like it works. This also would make extortion via saber-rattling harder in the future.
Biden has been proving in the last six months to be shrewder than expected, looking more like Bush 41 than Bush 43. Like Bush 41, he's also a gaffe machine, but we've known that for decades. The latter, interacted with inflation, appears to have lost him the media war and by extension the public opinion battle. I doubt that this can flip that script, but it's a good start.
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