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I'd suggest it's less to do with pretending it isn't happening and more a reality that, like Mutz mentioned, desperate times require some questionable measures.

The Azov are a real danger to the stability of eastern Ukraine and beyond once the war is over, however there's a greater danger to Ukraine now without them.

It really is a difficult situation with no unblemished outcome which option they choose, but rightly or wrongly it's a situation Ukraine finds itself in.

You only need to look back over the last hundred or so years and see some of the reprehensible alliances (more often uneasy acceptance) for the greater good.

Some will call it pragmatism; some will use words like amoral; others, perhaps rightly, will think its lamentable, but it's easy to say so when not in position.

As stated otherwise, I personally think it'll be best to judge when they're not required although let's not pretend that it'll be a clean affair afterwards.

Ukraine is fighting for its very existence.
That's the party line. But not shared everywhere. More and more expert forecasting a stalemate in Donbass. So Ukrainian sovereignty isn't in danger.
 
It's like who'd ever be comfortable making an alliance with a tyrannical despot like Stalin...
He was the leader of the Soviet Union, a different state.
What's a bit more problematic here is that they integrated the batallion (still linked to a controversial movement) into their own ranks during peacetime. It was poor judgement; they should've been fully integrated within the armed forces and nobody would've cared anymore. (But did the government have enough pull to exact such demands?)

Would the UK ever integrate the IRA (very hypothetical I know)? And let them wave an Irish flag and let them use their old insignia? Or would Spain allow for Basque or Catalonian brigades?
 
That's the party line. But not shared everywhere. More and more expert forecasting a stalemate in Donbass. So Ukrainian sovereignty isn't in danger.
Which party line? Russia tried to invade the entirety of Ukraine, with its plans changing only due to operational necessity - e.g. they were getting slaughtered.

What did the party spokesman (Lavrov) only imply the other day: it has expanded its objectives further from the east.

He was the leader of the Soviet Union, a different state.
What's a bit more problematic here is that they integrated the batallion (still linked to a controversial movement) into their own ranks during peacetime. It was poor judgement; they should've been fully integrated within the armed forces and nobody would've cared anymore. (But did the government have enough pull to exact such demands?)

Would the UK ever integrate the IRA (very hypothetical I know)? And let them wave an Irish flag and let them use their old insignia? Or would Spain allow for Basque or Catalonian brigades?
Aye, it was a clumsy comparison, but the point was that countries make uneasy and amoral alliances/connections due to the neccesity of their situation.

The Azov regiment's far-right ideology (fascism, Neo-Nazi etc.) is incompatible with the values of a western, open democracy, which is akin to the IRA link.

On the other hand, they're pro-Ukrainian and support the patriotic views, which in this case has been the key factor. IRA and Basque would never fly under the flag.

If we're talking about integration, a closer comparison (although again, not perfect) was the formation of the UDR and its ties to the UDA.

It's clearly not a like-for-like case as the UDR was not the UDA and UVF et al, yet from the outset the UDR was riddled with members of loyalist paramilitaries,

They flew under the same flag and were a convenient association due to having the same opponent, whereas other ideological views were non-compatible.

To some extent, the BA did banish many soldiers from the UDR due to their ties to loyalists: UDA association was forbidden and UVF members etc. were arrested.

However, to completely rid the regiment of members with questionable views would have been needed it to be disbanded hence why it was unofficially tolerated.

Morally, this was wrong - collusion with loyalists undermined the government, the regiment and the army. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Yet from an operational standpoint and the position NI was in, I can accept why those in charge tolerated it, and this comes back to the Ukrainian point.

We don't have to agree with the many dubious decisions that governments make to acknowledge why they did so due to the conflict they found themselves in.
 
Which party line? Russia tried to invade the entirety of Ukraine, with its plans changing only due to operational necessity - e.g. they were getting slaughtered.

What did the party spokesman (Lavrov) only imply the other day: it has expanded its objectives further from the east.
He did,but purely because the longer range missiles provided by the US can be fired into the areas populated by ethnic Russians. Let's be straight, the US need this war to carry on,post Covid the increased income from the near record high prices of oil and the income being generated by the US arms industry could very well save the US economy. Name the last war that actually was about defending the borders of the US and not their economic and political aims.
 
Have we heard any more about the cargo plane that crashed moving arms meant for the Ukraine that oddly was flying from Serbia to Bangladesh... allegedly.?
The one allegedly carrying land mines?

Apparently not the only Ukrainian weapons to hit the open market.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/media...he war in Ukraine,once the conflict has ended.


Very messy situation there. Russian sources ( so take with a hefty whole-handed pinch of salt) talking about HIMARS for sale.


Quite worrying if true.
 
Very messy situation there. Russian sources ( so take with a hefty whole-handed pinch of salt) talking about HIMARS for sale.


Quite worrying if true.
I'd say the possibility of this is incredibly slim for a number of reasons: the US wouldn't allow the sale; the US wouldn't facilitate further arms deals if it was true.

More importantly, why would you sell one of your most capable weapons platforms?
 
The one allegedly carrying land mines?

Apparently not the only Ukrainian weapons to hit the open market.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/europol-statement-cooperation-ukraine#:~:text=Regarding the war in Ukraine,once the conflict has ended.


Very messy situation there. Russian sources ( so take with a hefty whole-handed pinch of salt) talking about HIMARS for sale.


Quite worrying if true.
I'd take the Russian view with as you say a large pinch of salt. The BBC however reported the Serbian crash as Ukrainian arms bound for Bangladesh. Oddly the following day it was just a generic plane crash in Serbia.?
 
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