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[dholliday]

Opposing racism creates racism?

You're a poster child aka useful idiot for the Far Left cause. You disgustingly called me an apologist for ideologies that lead to the Holocaust. That's as low as it gets, and as bad as any actual racist abuse, for you are dehumanising by implying I support ethnic cleansing, despite many replies to you over many months which clearly show the opposite.

Dehumanising of the other is a racist tactic. I would like you to not go there again.

To your actual comment above: what is racist about concern for immigration? What is racist about Brexit? These are complex issues with many different reasons behind the concern or vote. Some of those reasons from some of those people may indeed be prejudiced in nature, but you are blankly saying these things are racist by default, by extension those expressing those concerns or voting thus are blankly racists by default.

It's horrendous simpleton logic, and actually fascistic in nature. You're being the thing you claim to be fighting against.

 

[Number_25]

It's horrendous simpleton logic, and actually fascistic in nature. You're being the thing you claim to be fighting against.

I'm struggling to understand how:

• Wanting sustainable capitalism, as so nobody is pushed into vile fascistic hatred and the loss of life which inevitably follows.
• Wanting a "final solution" to the <insert ethnic/religious miniority here> "problem".

Are the same thing.

Oh, and if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - then it's most likely a duck.

I stand by exactly what I said.

You are an apologist for it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

To your actual comment above: what is racist about concern for immigration?

I'll tackle this one. Had leave voters said that they are concerned about large changes in their local population, and the challenges this creates, especially in a highly centralised government structure like we have in the UK, then they would have a point, and policies could be explored to help local areas better adapt to changes in their population, regardless of whether the newcomers from Watford or Warsaw.

That isn't the debate though, is it? The concern is directly opposed to changes in population based upon the nationality (and often race and/or religion) of the newcomers, which is the actual definition of racist.

 

[PhilM]

There's a differences between members, core voters, and 'ordinary' voters.

For example.

I'm a member of the Labour Party. I have been involved in the party since I was 7 years old and have ideas about where the Labour Party needs to be policy wise.

I'm from a area in which 60% of eligible voters voted for the Labour Party. I know for a fact that, regardless of whichever way the party swings - a good 70% of those people will still vote Labour regardless.

And then there are the 30% that swing between parties (whether it be from Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems, or even the Tories) dependent on how they perceive the benefits that party promises.

But that's not what you either said or implied.

In what I could only deem as a derogatory remark, you implied that those who are members of the Conservative party are significantly different from their voters.

Therefore, are you suggesting that there is a significance difference between Labour party politicians, members, core voters and ordinary voters?

 

[Number_25]

But that's not what you either implied.

In what I could only deem as a derogatory remark, you implied that those who are members of the Conservative party are significantly different from their voters.

Therefore, are you suggesting that there is a significance difference between Labour party politicians, members, core voters and ordinary voters?

Yes.

 

[dholliday]

I'm struggling to understand how:

• Wanting sustainable capitalism, as so nobody is pushed into vile fascistic hatred and the loss of life which inevitably follows.
• Wanting a "final solution" to the <insert ethnic/religious miniority here> "problem".

Are the same thing.

Oh, and if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - then it's most likely a duck.

I stand by exactly what I said.

You are an apologist for it.

And you're a useful idiot. You and one other on here have proven to be not worth my time.

This was our last discussion. It's a shame but there it is.

I'll tackle this one. Had leave voters said that they are concerned about large changes in their local population, and the challenges this creates, especially in a highly centralised government structure like we have in the UK, then they would have a point, and policies could be explored to help local areas better adapt to changes in their population, regardless of whether the newcomers from Watford or Warsaw.

That isn't the debate though, is it? The concern is directly opposed to changes in population based upon the nationality (and often race and/or religion) of the newcomers, which is the actual definition of racist.

But they have said exactly this...many times over.

 

[Number_25]

And you're a useful idiot. You and one other on here have proven to be not worth my time.

This was our last discussion. It's a shame but there it is.

What 'good points' does "Tommy Robinson" actually have?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But they have said exactly this...many times over.

People have said they want to leave the EU to stop people migrating from Birmingham to London? Do please link me up on that.

 

[dholliday]

People have said they want to leave the EU to stop people migrating from Birmingham to London? Do please link me up on that.

Er...no, or maybe they have I don't know. That's a leap from Had leave voters said that they are concerned about large changes in their local population, and the challenges this creates.

Did you mean to say concerned about people moving between towns?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Er...no, or maybe they have I don't know. That's a leap from Had leave voters said that they are concerned about large changes in their local population, and the challenges this creates.

Did you mean to say concerned about people moving between towns?

Yes, people didn't say whatsoever that they were concerned about changes in their local population numbers, they said they were concerned about the number of foreigners moving to their town. Had they done the former then that puts natives and foreigners on the same footing and it's purely about how they can adapt to the numbers. The latter puts natives on a grander pedestal than foreigners, which is the dictionary definition of racism.

 

[dholliday]

Yes, people didn't say whatsoever that they were concerned about changes in their local population numbers, they said they were concerned about the number of foreigners moving to their town. Had they done the former then that puts natives and foreigners on the same footing and it's purely about how they can adapt to the numbers. The latter puts natives on a grander pedestal than foreigners, which is the dictionary definition of racism.

Ok, so are all Brexit voters racist?

and which nation doesn't put its natives above foreigners when it comes to who should live where? And that is not the dictionary definition of racism, by the way.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ok, so are all Brexit voters racist?

and which nation doesn't put its natives above foreigners when it comes to who should live where? And that is not the dictionary definition of racism, by the way.

Those who voted so as to limit migration, yes.

 

[Moomin]

What 'good points' does "Tommy Robinson" actually have?

It will be good when he gets sent down later this month.

 

[dholliday]

Those who voted so as to limit migration, yes.

That's a heavy and very harsh judgement. It would make the majority of europeans racist too, which I don't believe. The term "racist" has become so over-used many of you have forgotten what actual racists are. But ok, that's your opinion so let's go with that.

So that means those Brexit voters who voted so for other reasons aren't by your judgement racist.

Ergo, not all Brexiters are racist. At least we've come to that conclusion.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's a heavy and very harsh judgement. It would make the majority of europeans racist too, which I don't believe. The term "racist" has become so over-used many of you have forgotten what actual racists are. But ok, that's your opinion so let's go with that.

So that means those Brexit voters who voted so for other reasons aren't by your judgement racist.

Ergo, not all Brexiters are racist. At least we've come to that conclusion.

The Race Relations Act forbids people from discriminating on the grounds of nationality. By choosing to specifically focus on newcomers from elsewhere in Europe over newcomers from elsewhere in Britain, what would you call it? You've banged on repeatedly about identity politics being a bad thing and how we're all more alike, yet seem happy to support people who willingly distinguish based upon nothing than where they were born. It's crazy.