Current Affairs Tommy Robinson Bailed

[Harryflashman]

So what’s the good racist ,fascist bits then , The trains running on time ?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If they have no good points (by points I mean arguments, not character), then how do they garner so much support? How do fascists historically gain support among the masses? They appeal to sensitive issues that the mainstream shy away from, issues that have some ugly or unwanted truth to them.

I'm not saying anything remotely controversial or new.

Or put another way, why do you think Tommy Robinson or any popularist fascist gain popular support? Now remember, I'm not supporting him or any fascist myself. I am however thinking about why so many do.

They do exploit this IMO.

Particularly when the far left try and close off/belittle concerns.

Example "Any concern over immigration = racist" "Don't like the EU, voted leave = racist" type narrative plays right into the far right's hands.

 

[Harryflashman]

But I can see why he does get support.

I think that’s a very different conversation, I absolutely can see why they get support .

 

[dholliday]

Like what?

see here:

The good points I'm not gonna go into as it's a can of endless worms. If you're truly interested, youtube for example his chat with Sargon of Arkard (Akkad?), who's also a bad bell with some good points.

The curious can have a little look and make up their own minds, but I'm not going into them here. It'll be endless and not much fun. I'll just remind everyone I'm harshly against fascism, against all kinds of victimisation, against hate, against prejudice, against lies. I am for seeking balance in things, especially what truth is. The Manics get it, when they titled one of their albums thus: this my truth tell me yours.

Truth is very much in the eye of the beholder when it comes to one's opinion. @Groucho set his stall out so clearly he even claimed I know his truth to be the truth. But it's not, as much of it is subjective.

Accepting this leads to less fascism, not more.

 

[roydo]

I think that’s a very different conversation, I absolutely can see why they get support .

Kinda what I was saying as well.

Its deffo not cos they might have some good stuff.

 

[dholliday]

They do exploit this IMO.

Particularly when the far left try and close off/belittle concerns.

Example "Any concern over immigration = racist" "Don't like the EU, voted leave = racist" type narrative plays right into the far right's hands.

Exactly what I've been trying to say the whole time! Am I saying it wrong?

 

[roydo]

Exactly what I've been trying to say the whole time! Am I saying it wrong?

Reckon so. We all reckon they play of fear/exploit issues, and understand why that could garner support, you reckon folk see some good things in them.

 

[dholliday]

Reckon so. We all reckon they play of fear/exploit issues, and understand why that could garner support, you reckon folk see some good things in them.

It's a good point to claim the Left are shutting down debate about immigration/Brexit by shouting "bad racist!".

Agree or disagree with the above?

 

[Groucho]

Exactly what I've been trying to say the whole time! Am I saying it wrong?

Yes

 

[roydo]

It's a good point to claim the Left are shutting down debate about immigration/Brexit by shouting "bad racist!".

Agree or disagree with the above?

Dunno, going for a walk.

 

[dholliday]

Dunno, going for a walk.

Well, exactly that is one of those good points that Robinson has made, and that appeals to people. Unfortunately it appeals so much to some that it overrides his bad bellism.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They do exploit this IMO.

Particularly when the far left try and close off/belittle concerns.

Example "Any concern over immigration = racist" "Don't like the EU, voted leave = racist" type narrative plays right into the far right's hands.

Concern about immigration is a topic that has been covered on here numerous times, and leave supporters have generally batted away any attempts to actually get to the nitty gritty of what it is that concerns them about immigration by just shouting OUT very loudly.

 

[Number_25]

Would you like to explain the difference bar one being members of a political party and those who support said political party? Or are we talking 17th-19th politics?

There's a differences between members, core voters, and 'ordinary' voters.

For example.

I'm a member of the Labour Party. I have been involved in the party since I was 7 years old and have ideas about where the Labour Party needs to be policy wise.

I'm from a area in which 60% of eligible voters voted for the Labour Party. I know for a fact that, regardless of whichever way the party swings - a good 70% of those people will still vote Labour regardless.

And then there are the 30% that swing between parties (whether it be from Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems, or even the Tories) dependent on how they perceive the benefits that party promises.

 

[Number_25]

They do exploit this IMO.

Particularly when the far left try and close off/belittle concerns.

Example "Any concern over immigration = racist" "Don't like the EU, voted leave = racist" type narrative plays right into the far right's hands.

Opposing racism creates racism?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Concern about immigration is a topic that has been covered on here numerous times, and leave supporters have generally batted away any attempts to actually get to the nitty gritty of what it is that concerns them about immigration by just shouting OUT very loudly.

And I should add, when people can't verbalise their concerns, it's really easy to fall into the mindset that they either don't want to (because their views are racist) or are unable to because they don't have a real beef.