Today’s Football 2022/23 Season

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MikeH72 said:
Nobody is on that level. Argentina who won the World Cup are really not a great side in my opinion, they have a handful of great players and that’s it. Otamendi and Tagliafico still play regularly for them, their keeper plays for Aston Villa. It’s a low bar at the moment across international football, and England whether you like it or not, have one of the best squads in the world. France have the best squad on paper but who after that can you honestly say is miles better than England?
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Give me your strongest England XI and then we'll compare it to other sides.
 
Nymzee said:
Pretty good, White, Chilwell and Rice are... okay, nothing more.

How many of those get in say Brazil's starting XI? or Argentina's?
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Chilwell is brilliant but perma-crocked. I think Rice has improved a lot and White I agree is just decent but that centre back slot really is up for grabs. Maguire would be about 7th choice for me but this clown picks him

Do you think Richarlison, Raphinha, Paqueta, Danilo or Fabinho get in England’s team? I don’t, and most of them start most games for Brazil.

For Argentina, do Tagliafico, Molina, De Paul, Martinez or the current version of Di Maria get in England’s team? I honestly don’t think they do. The standard really isn’t that high, England are undoubtedly one of the stronger teams on paper.
 
Drico said:
But somebody does. And, as a non-Englishman, I don't think there is quite as much talent there as Sky and the Premier League hype would have some believe.

I agree with you that Southgate is probably not the man to cleverly risk enough to win a major final, but I don't believe that this England side should be winning major titles either. They are very good relative to many others, but are they objectively of the class of, say, France? Or Germany in 2014? Or Spain 2008-12?

They come with such hype that they will never have the element of surprise to do a Denmark 1992 or Greece 2004. And they have really not produced a player of the brilliance of Figo or Ronaldo this century either, so I don't know what England should expect, to be honest, other than regularly making the last eight and occasionally making a semi or final. Which they do, to be fair.
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I don't see this as failure necessarily when you look at how many English players there are in the Prem or other top flight leagues.
 
Billy Dean said:
I missed the game but saw that England just beat the azzurri in Italy for the first time since 1961. Reading this thread you’d get the feeling they lost
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Dominated the first half then the manager got hold of them and made them retreat to the edge of their own box for the entirety of the second half, in the end very fortunate to desperately cling on to the win. England had 0 shots and 0 corners in the second half.
 
Nymzee said:
It’s not
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It is and isn't imo - they'd be doing it as a weird power trip from the director's box, as "how can we not win the BuLi, also the CL and also everything else".

That said, really underperforming in the league, considering the players, but they also replaced Lewandowski with Choupo-Moting so I dunno.

Nagelsmann probably moved there too early honestly. Ambition is a hell of a drug haha
 
DualityNSNO said:
It is and isn't imo - they'd be doing it as a weird power trip from the director's box, as "how can we not win the BuLi, also the CL and also everything else".

That said, really underperforming in the league, considering the players, but they also replaced Lewandowski with Choupo-Moting so I dunno.

Nagelsmann probably moved there too early honestly. Ambition is a hell of a drug haha
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There's more to it than just their league position/results mate.
 
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