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[daza_1973]

The butcher of Gallipoli for starters. Does that take away from his role as PM during the 2nd World War, no. He should be honoured for that, doesn't mean his past should be whitewashed though.

People cherry picking good and bad deeds from a persons history is a dangerous game - Okay Gallipoli was a tragic episode in WW1, but maybe that event changed something in Churchills makeup that would eventually become a positive in his role in WW2 he was continually taunted in parliament about it for may years.
Or - if he'd been held accountable for Gallipoli and faded out of the public eye, we all might be speaking German now - and we certainly wouldn't be discussing the rights and wrongs of history on a public forum that's for sure.

 

[dead_soft]

Im a centrist and he is definitely not that mate.

I can definitely assure you I’m not a centrist. Give it a couple more years and you can take off your cloak and admit to being a Tory

 

[dead_soft]

People cherry picking good and bad deeds from a persons history is a dangerous game - Okay Gallipoli was a tragic episode in WW1, but maybe that event changed something in Churchills makeup that would eventually become a positive in his role in WW2 he was continually taunted in parliament about it for may years.
Or - if he'd been held accountable for Gallipoli and faded out of the public eye, we all might be speaking German now - and we certainly wouldn't be discussing the rights and wrongs of history on a public forum that's for sure.

Didn’t seem to teach him much when he get excited about bombing German cities and nearly cost the Allied Forces greatly

 

[daza_1973]

Didn’t seem to teach him much when he get excited about bombing German cities and nearly cost the Allied Forces greatly

History is written by the victors

 

[dead_soft]

History is written by the victors

This doesn’t really support us looking favourably on people like Churchill

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You have no sides in the racists v the anti-racists. A noble stance

So anyone who disagrees with authoritarian mob violence is supporting racism?

And people wonder why the left in this country is finished lol

 

[dead_soft]

So anyone who disagrees with authoritarian mob violence is supporting racism?

And people wonder why the left in this country is finished lol

It’s not authoritarian mob violence though. Most statues are coming down through peaceful means of direct action.

The left isn’t finished. Quite clearly.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

It’s not authoritarian mob violence though. Most statues are coming down through peaceful means of direct action.

The left isn’t finished. Quite clearly.

**puts in translator**

Most statues are coming down either by force or by social media declaration despite democratic votes previously voting in the majority for said statues to stay up.

The left got its ass handed to it by Kin Boris Johnson.

The working class majority think kin Nigel Farage is a man of the people.

The Left is over thanks to its lunatic fringe and abandonment of the working class in pursuit of the middle class talking heads vote.

 

[Tubey]

It’s not authoritarian mob violence though. Most statues are coming down through peaceful means of direct action.

The left isn’t finished. Quite clearly.

Haha the best description of anarchist vandalism I've ever read.

"Peaceful means of direct action"

Classic.

Can see that becoming a viable legal defence.

"No your honour, I wasn't robbing the house, I was taking peaceful means of direct action against the new pair of trainers he had because Nike used child labour in sweatshops."

 

[Billy Dean]

The butcher of Gallipoli for starters. Does that take away from his role as PM during the 2nd World War, no. He should be honoured for that, doesn't mean his past should be whitewashed though.

No it shouldn’t, but we should have a more nuanced and balanced discussion about Churchill imo

 

[Charro]

**puts in translator**

Most statues are coming down either by force or by social media declaration despite democratic votes previously voting in the majority for said statues to stay up.

The left got its ass handed to it by Kin Boris Johnson.

The working class majority think kin Nigel Farage is a man of the people.

The Left is over thanks to its lunatic fringe and abandonment of the working class in pursuit of the middle class talking heads vote.

Serious question here mate, and I think it’ll help people try to understand the points you’re trying to make.

Where do you get your sources of information from?

 

[daza_1973]

This doesn’t really support us looking favourably on people like Churchill

And knee-jerk revisionism will just move the problem further down the line for future generations to riot over - a very, very delicate balance is required here in a very challenging time.

 

[Tubey]

No it shouldn’t, but we should have a more nuanced and balanced discussion about Churchill imo

We already do. It's literally constant. It was only the other year McDonnell brought up Tonypandy etc.

 

[Tubey]

Serious question here mate, and I think it’ll help people try to understand the points you’re trying to make.

Where do you get your sources of information from?

Every election since 2010 and the Brexit vote?

Twitter is an echo chamber for the minority. That has been borne out over and over again. If it wasn't, Brexit gets crushed by 90% of the vote against and Corbyn is now PM with massive landslide victories.

 

[Charro]

Every election since 2010 and the Brexit vote?

Twitter is an echo chamber for the minority. That has been borne out over and over again. If it wasn't, Brexit gets crushed by 90% of the vote against and Corbyn is now PM with massive landslide victories.

I’m talking more this stuff about EDL and other such things this fella has come out with.

He might have a point about the left, but this discussion isn’t really about that.

Just interested where he gets his info from as im spotting a dangerous pattern in his tone and the stuff he’s coming out with.