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[ramacca]

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Wonder if it's the same box Johnson disappears into for weeks at a time...

Let's hope they use the box and many others to send back the Elgin Marbles to Greece and put back in their rightful place. Mind, there are tons and tons of artifacts, that lay testimony to cultural vandalism, taken from overseas and ended up in UK museums. Let's hope they are returned forthwith. We could send them back to Johnson's 'picaninnies with watermelon smiles'.

 

[mill]

Again, that’s a complete misrepresentation of the point being made.

People are welcome to protest however they see fit. I believe the BLM movement is a very important one and I support it. I supported it before last week and I still do. At the end of the day though, the vast majority of the population just want to get on with their lives on a day to day basis, and things that stop then from doing that will not gain popularity as a cause. I worked in central London when the occupy protests happened and I well remember how my colleagues attitudes changed from support to annoyance as it started to affect them. You can argue over whether it should happen, but not really over whether it does.

I’m not arguing that some people will get annoyed by it. For what it’s worth I work in central London too and I had similar with colleagues being annoyed at being put out a little by the protests. It annoyed the **** out of me as it was people moaning they took a little longer to get to work or had to go to a different coffee shop. And it’s those same people who are moaning right now. That their lives have been marginally put out in some way. That they feel a bit uncomfortable.
But that’s the point isn’t it? To cause disruption. the way I look at it is this. There have been years of silent protest. There have been years of people pointing out that they are being oppressed and for these reasons. And there voice has been left unheard. They want change and silent protest hasn’t worked.
It’s like the MLK quote. ‘A riot is the language of the unheard’.
We should be wondering why people have got so angry they got to the point of riot and violence. This isn’t people feeling slightly uncomfortable, this isn’t a slightly longer tube journey, this isn’t a different coffee shop. What we are seeing is what happens when you oppress people for so long and how that anger comes out. This is rage.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Someone will need to update Google maps again, he is out of the drink.

 

[Moomin]

Others can of course have an alternative view, but again what long term benefits that come from removal? No one is giving a clear argument for this. It isn't the source of anyone's anger, sense of injustness and predjuce. It is just a visible way of showing that anger at present. Most of these people were involved in many industries as well as the horrible practice of trading in slaves, just because they did doesn't mean that they didn't improve the cities they called home. I severely doubt these monuments were put up to remind the very small number of black people that were in these cities in the late 1800's of their place as some people have said.

The people of Bristol democratically decided to keep it last time there was an opportunity to do so, are 55% of Bristolains racist? I don't think so, especially seeing the city's rich diverse population. When you let the minority take by force you are on a slippery slope as what will be next that people choose to remove/vandalise.

Education and opportunity will give the BAME community the justice they crave for, not removing relics to a bygone age when 99% of the population know and understand that slavery was bad, as was the colonisation of countries by the empire.

 

[Lanolin]

I’m not arguing that some people will get annoyed by it. For what it’s worth I work in central London too and I had similar with colleagues being annoyed at being put out a little by the protests. It annoyed the **** out of me as it was people moaning they took a little longer to get to work or had to go to a different coffee shop. And it’s those same people who are moaning right now. That their lives have been marginally put out in some way. That they feel a bit uncomfortable.
But that’s the point isn’t it? To cause disruption. the way I look at it is this. There have been years of silent protest. There have been years of people pointing out that they are being oppressed and for these reasons. And there voice has been left unheard. They want change and silent protest hasn’t worked.
It’s like the MLK quote. ‘A riot is the language of the unheard’.
We should be wondering why people have got so angry they got to the point of riot and violence. This isn’t people feeling slightly uncomfortable, this isn’t a slightly longer tube journey, this isn’t a different coffee shop. What we are seeing is what happens when you oppress people for so long and how that anger comes out. This is rage.

And I agree with you, but that doesn’t change that the majority of people don’t see it that way, which is what the point being made was.

If you start taking down statues of people who the majority of the country idolise (Churchill) then public opinion will very quickly turn against BLM. I just don’t think there’s any argument with that to be honest. Churchill was a problematic figure to say the least, but he’s a national hero and the average person won’t take well to being told they can’t venerate him.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Seems to me she's just trying to get her twitter like votes up.

 

[Moomin]

Seems to me she's just trying to get her twitter like votes up.

When did the people of Bristol vote for the statue to stay??

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Again, that’s a complete misrepresentation of the point being made.

People are welcome to protest however they see fit. I believe the BLM movement is a very important one and I support it. I supported it before last week and I still do. At the end of the day though, the vast majority of the population just want to get on with their lives on a day to day basis, and things that stop then from doing that will not gain popularity as a cause. I worked in central London when the occupy protests happened and I well remember how my colleagues attitudes changed from support to annoyance as it started to affect them. You can argue over whether it should happen, but not really over whether it does.

Entire point moving to protest is to annoy people and frustrate because it normally starts to have a economic effect as it makes whoever can bring about the change start to take notice. Many of these statues/monuments, have had representation against them for many years, to have a reflective account by the side or removing, however, noone was listening, but they are now.

 

[ramacca]

An interesting article,

Edward Colston statue toppled: how Bristol came to see the ...
theconversation.com › edward-colston-statue-toppled-h...

 

[Lanolin]

Entire point moving to protest is to annoy people and frustrate because it normally starts to have a economic effect as it makes whoever can bring about the change start to take notice. Many of these statues/monuments, have had representation against them for many years, to have a reflective account by the side or removing, however, noone was listening, but they are now.

Yes that’s the case for colston. Colston isn’t Churchill. Start ripping down statues of Churchill and I think you’ll see a pretty different reaction from the country. That’s the only point being made.

 

[Charro]

Well its only been the one side causing bother so far hasn't it.

Goodness me.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yes that’s the case for colston. Colston isn’t Churchill. Start ripping down statues of Churchill and I think you’ll see a pretty different reaction from the country. That’s the only point being made.

All of Churchill's history is going to be widely discussed now because of the reluctance by those in complete awe of him. Who will now loose control of the narrative.
Inspiring for large parts of the world's fight against facism, however, some of his policy decisions in that period backed up by his own spoken word, were thoroughly disgusting and belonged in the realm of Nazi Germany. And work back in his legacy gets no better.

 

[The binman chronicles]

When did the people of Bristol vote for the statue to stay??

Tbh I couldn't give you an exact date, it was a while back. I remember watching the local BBC news when they announced it, it could have even been for the renaming of the concert hall that bears his name. I lump it under one umbrella as more people will pass in and out of the doors of that place than will actually stop and bother to read something in the street, especially something that they have already seen before.

 

[The binman chronicles]

All of Churchill's history is going to be widely discussed now because of the reluctance by those in complete awe of him. Who will now loose control of the narrative.
Inspiring for large parts of the world's fight against facism, however, some of his policy decisions in that period backed up by his own spoken word, were thoroughly disgusting and belonged in the realm of Nazi Germany. And work back in his legacy gets no better.

The butcher of Gallipoli for starters. Does that take away from his role as PM during the 2nd World War, no. He should be honoured for that, doesn't mean his past should be whitewashed though.

 

[edge]

Tbh I couldn't give you an exact date, it was a while back. I remember watching the local BBC news when they announced it, it could have even been for the renaming of the concert hall that bears his name. I lump it under one umbrella as more people will pass in and out of the doors of that place than will actually stop and bother to read something in the street, especially something that they have already seen before.

.’think it was a consultaion on what to do with it, putting a second sign on it outlining his role in the slave trade, won the vote