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[Tea_drinker]

The guy who invented the scouts has been pulled off his plinth now. A racist homophobe apparently.

 

[Kurt.]

The guy who invented the scouts has been pulled off his plinth now. A racist homophobe apparently.

They weren’t prepared for that .....


(or is that cub’s ?)

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It’s quite a patronising attempt to win an argument by saying ‘people can’t see things from different angles’ especially when it doesn’t seem like you can.

If anyone has changed their opinion on the George Floyd murder, or on whether black lives matter because they Don’t like the protests then I’m going to assume they weren’t that much of an ally to begin with...

Exactly, he’s been as one eyed as it’s possible to be in the debate. Consistently repeating the same completely facile point, having it explained to him why people have an alternate view and yet he’s just ploughed on repeating himself and now has the temerity to claim it’s ‘others’ who can’t be nuanced and have a sense of perspective.

 

[Blue 1]

The guy who invented the scouts has been pulled off his plinth now. A racist homophobe apparently.

And an enthsusiastic supporter of Hitler.

It's been temporarily removed by the local council for its own safety.

 

[Blue 1]

I agree to a point but it’s important to point out that ‘they’ aren’t a hive mind. People from ethnic minorities don’t all feel the same way about things, so it’s not not quite as simple as you make out.

The other point is that the descendants of slaves are not the only people who have ever been wronged in history. I’m not talking about point scoring a is worse than b thing here, it’s just the same question as has been posed throughout - where do you draw the line? Do Sikhs get to choose some monuments too? Irish? Women? The working class? Are we suggesting that everybody who has ever been oppressed now gets to get together and make decisions on what needs to happen in a national level? I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but how will it work?

I wasn't suggesting BAME people are a hivemind and yes, blacks, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindu, Irish, Roma, whoever all need representation in our public life.

 

[mill]

And an enthsusiastic supporter of Hitler.

It's been temporarily removed by the local council for its own safety.

Ha that made me laugh.

‘this guy was a racist homophobe who supported hitler. Let’s stick him in a box so nothing happens to him.’

 

[Moomin]

It seems quite a few are saying " Hey black people, just stop and be quiet now. Do that and you might win our hearts "

Will be the same people who actually think the saying " White privilege " is slightly racist.

 

[mill]

I agree to a point but it’s important to point out that ‘they’ aren’t a hive mind. People from ethnic minorities don’t all feel the same way about things, so it’s not not quite as simple as you make out.

The other point is that the descendants of slaves are not the only people who have ever been wronged in history. I’m not talking about point scoring a is worse than b thing here, it’s just the same question as has been posed throughout - where do you draw the line? Do Sikhs get to choose some monuments too? Irish? Women? The working class? Are we suggesting that everybody who has ever been oppressed now gets to get together and make decisions on what needs to happen in a national level? I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, but how will it work?

I think this is the key point to me. I think we should rebalance society so that people who are oppressed are oppressed no longer.

if they see statues like this as a form of oppression then we should consider that.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ha that made me laugh.

‘this guy was a racist homophobe who supported hitler. Let’s stick him in a box so nothing happens to him.’

Wonder if it's the same box Johnson disappears into for weeks at a time...

 

[mill]

It seems quite a few are saying " Hey black people, just stop and be quiet now. Do that and you might win our hearts "

Will be the same people who actually think the saying " White privilege " is slightly racist.

I think this is another key point for me.
‘You can protest but it has to be on our terms’
can you imagine being so angry about something that you have to live everyday and then being told ‘you can’t be angry like that, it’s not acceptable’.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Exactly, he’s been as one eyed as it’s possible to be in the debate. Consistently repeating the same completely facile point, having it explained to him why people have an alternate view and yet he’s just ploughed on repeating himself and now has the temerity to claim it’s ‘others’ who can’t be nuanced and have a sense of perspective.

Others can of course have an alternative view, but again what long term benefits that come from removal? No one is giving a clear argument for this. It isn't the source of anyone's anger, sense of injustness and predjuce. It is just a visible way of showing that anger at present. Most of these people were involved in many industries as well as the horrible practice of trading in slaves, just because they did doesn't mean that they didn't improve the cities they called home. I severely doubt these monuments were put up to remind the very small number of black people that were in these cities in the late 1800's of their place as some people have said.

The people of Bristol democratically decided to keep it last time there was an opportunity to do so, are 55% of Bristolains racist? I don't think so, especially seeing the city's rich diverse population. When you let the minority take by force you are on a slippery slope as what will be next that people choose to remove/vandalise.

Education and opportunity will give the BAME community the justice they crave for, not removing relics to a bygone age when 99% of the population know and understand that slavery was bad, as was the colonisation of countries by the empire.

 

[Lanolin]

I wasn't suggesting BAME people are a hivemind and yes, blacks, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindu, Irish, Roma, whoever all need representation in our public life.

Of course they need representation. ‘Just shut up give them some money and let them decide what they want to do’ doesn’t really suggest representation though Does it? It actually sounds like the sort of highly offensive thing that white privilege makes people say when they think they’re being helpful.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I never did, I simply asked without google how would know his name?

Never understand the dismissal, you just searched this in Google etc. It's absolutely no difference learning from reading a book magazine or lecture etc. Sure you have to be sure of fact ,however, that's no difference from the others. Learning is well, just learning.

 

[Lanolin]

I think this is another key point for me.
‘You can protest but it has to be on our terms’
can you imagine being so angry about something that you have to live everyday and then being told ‘you can’t be angry like that, it’s not acceptable’.

Again, that’s a complete misrepresentation of the point being made.

People are welcome to protest however they see fit. I believe the BLM movement is a very important one and I support it. I supported it before last week and I still do. At the end of the day though, the vast majority of the population just want to get on with their lives on a day to day basis, and things that stop then from doing that will not gain popularity as a cause. I worked in central London when the occupy protests happened and I well remember how my colleagues attitudes changed from support to annoyance as it started to affect them. You can argue over whether it should happen, but not really over whether it does.

 

[Blue 1]

Of course they need representation. ‘Just shut up give them some money and let them decide what they want to do’ doesn’t really suggest representation though Does it? It actually sounds like the sort of highly offensive thing that white privilege makes people say when they think they’re being helpful.

OK mate.