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[peteblue]

Not responding to anyone in particular but...

If you want an end to racism, you need to not cause massive divides between races. I agreed with the BLM sentiment entirely until they started gathering in large numbers in the midst of Covid and defacing and pulling down statues, now as is so often the case on the net, I am finding myself getting entrenched on a side I don't really agree with.
I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.

History is history, if you are going to move on, don't eradicate the past...learn from it, but also get some context people ffs.

Churchill's statue is not celebrating a slave trader, that is not what the statue is about, it's about freedom, defying the odds, standing up to injustice, underdogs winning through sacrifice and determination, a leader taking a tiny country to war with a power threatening to destroy the world and combined with our allies... ultimately winning.
If anything I would of thought these values would of been appreciated by this group.

I may even of had a little respect for what they wanted to do if they went through appropriate channels, as it is, the group doing this (not all of BLM, but those responsible) are just a bunch of vandals defying lockdown, putting everyone at risk, and I cannot respect that on any level.

Indeed....

 

[dead_soft]

Not responding to anyone in particular but...

If you want an end to racism, you need to not cause massive divides between races. I agreed with the BLM sentiment entirely until they started gathering in large numbers in the midst of Covid and defacing and pulling down statues, now as is so often the case on the net, I am finding myself getting entrenched on a side I don't really agree with.
I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.

History is history, if you are going to move on, don't eradicate the past...learn from it, but also get some context people ffs.

Churchill's statue is not celebrating a slave trader, that is not what the statue is about, it's about freedom, defying the odds, standing up to injustice, underdogs winning through sacrifice and determination, a leader taking a tiny country to war with a power threatening to destroy the world and combined with our allies... ultimately winning.
If anything I would of thought these values would of been appreciated by this group.

I may even of had a little respect for what they wanted to do if they went through appropriate channels, as it is, the group doing this (not all of BLM, but those responsible) are just a bunch of vandals defying lockdown, putting everyone at risk, and I cannot respect that on any level.

So you're saying the actions of BLM have made you bordering on racist? That's quite a take

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Edward coulston joined the slave trade for 8 years of his 75 year life. He started as a trader of other products before investing in what everyone else was investing in at the time. 8 years. Consider the last 8 years of your life compared to every other one so far .

Wow. That must mean then that the thousands of people whose lives he ruined or ended only had to suffer for a maximum of eight years. Oh well, that is fine, it is not so bad when you put it like that. Might as well just put the statue back up.

 

[dead_soft]

So far one public statue has been toppled and one was removed by the local authorities. Both are probably still going to be on display just elsewhere. Wonder when all these statue fanciers will realise how silly they are.

 

[Kenshin]

Wow. That must mean then that the thousands of people whose lives he ruined or ended only had to suffer for a maximum of eight years. Oh well, that is fine, it is not so bad when you put it like that. Might as well just put the statue back up.

He? He?

This is the point. The sheer amount of people involved in this and yet blame one man for it? Who were the other directors of the company before him? After him? During that time?

Why aren't their names being dragged through the dirt?

 

[dead_soft]

He? He?

This is the point. The sheer amount of people involved in this and yet blame one man for it? Who were the other directors of the company before him? After him? During that time?

Why aren't their names being dragged through the dirt?

Because they've not just had their statue toppled that put it front and centre? What oddness.

 

[Kenshin]

He worked for the Royal African Company for 12 years and upon leaving in 1692 proceeded to trade slaves himself until 1708. Bit longer than 8 years there mate.

Ok so I got that but wrong fair enough lol

Here's a question , anyone can answer this one?

Do you think it is ok to idolise rapists , murderers , people who hit women , assaulters etc? All as heroes?

 

[Kenshin]

Because they've not just had their statue toppled that put it front and centre? What oddness.

Far more evil people the ones driving the slave trade company than a man who simply joined it as a trader on other goods.

What's the difference between Hitler and the men who decided to use their navy to slave trade?

I bet you don't know who were the ones who started the slave trade properly without googling them. I don't , I know who coulston is though.

One man being blamed for the crimes of the many. Why don't blm care about those men? The ones who started all of this? Who told their captain's to sail to Africa to gather people up?

 

[dead_soft]

Far more evil people the ones driving the slave trade company than a man who simply joined it as a trader on other goods.

What's the difference between Hitler and the men who decided to use their navy to slave trade?

I bet you don't know who were the ones who started the slave trade properly without googling them. I don't , I know who coulston is though.

One man being blamed for the crimes of the many. Why don't blm care about those men? The ones who started all of this? Who told their captain's to sail to Africa to gather people up?

This is frankly just bizarre.

Who says BLM don't care? But why should they? Mad how much you love statues of old men.

 

[nsno-chris]

I don't speak for everyone in the BLM movement, probably only 80-83% of them, but yes - this is probably the most important statue in the last 100 years of black activism and everyone thinks so.

it isn’t, but thanks for your input

I don’t want to upset you, but twitter isn’t real life

 

[brigadier]

No problem with the new statue but why not pay for a marble base and the land to put it on themselves, surely the people of Bristol should get a say, dismissing the opinion of the locals will not go down well.

 

[Kenshin]

This is frankly just bizarre.

Who says BLM don't care? But why should they? Mad how much you love statues of old men.

Why can't the people of Bristol vote for the reinstatement of one of their biggest beneficiaries?

Why can't the people of Bristol have the choice to put Edwards statue back? They didn't vote to pull it down.

Also why should they care? Is that a real statement you have made? Why should BLM care about the ones who instigated the slave trade?

Really?

 

[dead_soft]

Why can't the people of Bristol vote for the reinstatement of one of their biggest beneficiaries?

Why can't the people of Bristol have the choice to put Edwards statue back? They didn't vote to pull it down.

might be helpful if you give the list of who black people should be angry at and in what order

Also why should they care? Is that a real statement you have made? Why should BLM care about the ones who instigated the slave trade?

Really?

The argument against Coulston is about the public furniture we have and who we celebrate.

Your argument is very confused. So do you think people should be angry about people from the past we celebrate but just not this one?

 

[Tubey]

Surely he was only able to administer his philanthropy because of profits he would have made from slave trading, how could you separate these issues?

Because it wasn't considered as important how he got the money at the time. It's problematic now, it wasn't then. The statue didn't celebrate slave trading one iota. If we apply modern sensibilities on everything we'd have to tear down half the country.

Volkswagen was the brain child of the Nazis - do we go around burning every car they've ever made because of that?

 

[Tubey]

So you're saying the actions of BLM have made you bordering on racist? That's quite a take

What an embarrassing response that is.