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[coollino]

Some real big hitters in attendance though. Great to see.

When I get the news alert at 6am or something this thread was the first thing I thought about lol

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Volkswagen was the brain child of the Nazis - do we go around burning every car they've ever made because of that?

Don’t know about everyone else but I certainly do

 

[dead_soft]

What an embarrassing response that is.

Ooh, here is, the big logical brain who would totally change his opinion if only someone was ever clever enough to best him.

If someone's saying that they ended up sounding bordering on racist because they didn't like how some BLM people protested than I'm probably going to think they weren't massively ant-racist before.

 

[Kenshin]

The argument against Coulston is about the public furniture we have and who we celebrate.

Your argument is very confused. So do you think people should be angry about people from the past we celebrate but just not this one?

Unless there is just reason, noone should be angry about people from the past. You can't change hundreds of years

My argument is not confused. To demonise a man who was involved in something that hundreds if not more were involved in and re writing all the good things he did literally to shove his name into the back of a museum is disrespectful and hypocritical given what he gave to the city.

It's tearing a part of Bristol out of its soul for what? A bunch of young people who now want to hold their nations history to account ?

If the city had voted to remove the statue then it wouldn't be here nor there and none of us (including me) wouldn't have heard this man's name.

More to the point. When 1600s England is compared to 2020 great Britain and the same standard is applied because people are now offended by it, it's pathetic.

One day more people will realise how pathetic all of this really is. Having selective offense and only being offended when told to care.

Americans marched because their own police were killing them. That was their motivation, their own people murdering them. British people angry that a man built half of Bristol but got his money from a dodgy place 350 years ago had a statue.

Ironic given they learned about history in a school he built for them.

 

[dead_soft]

Because it wasn't considered as important how he got the money at the time. It's problematic now, it wasn't then. The statue didn't celebrate slave trading one iota. If we apply modern sensibilities on everything we'd have to tear down half the country.

Volkswagen was the brain child of the Nazis - do we go around burning every car they've ever made because of that?

Well in to tearing down half the country, which we're bordering on with this insanity of ONE WHOLE STATUE TORN DOWN!

 

[Tubey]

Ooh, here is, the big logical brain who would totally change his opinion if only someone was ever clever enough to best him.

If someone's saying that they ended up sounding bordering on racist because they didn't like how some BLM people protested than I'm probably going to think they weren't massively ant-racist before.

There's nothing he said that was bordering on racist; only in your demented head does that exist.

I assume you think I'm bordering on racist too as I agree 100% with him.

I repeat - that post is embarrassing. You should be ashamed of it.

 

[Tubey]

Well in to tearing down half the country, which we're bordering on with this insanity of ONE WHOLE STATUE TORN DOWN!

Good to know you don't understand the meaning of the word "if".

 

[Kenshin]

Ooh, here is, the big logical brain who would totally change his opinion if only someone was ever clever enough to best him.

If someone's saying that they ended up sounding bordering on racist because they didn't like how some BLM people protested than I'm probably going to think they weren't massively ant-racist before.

What?

 

[dead_soft]

One day more people will realise how pathetic all of this really is. Having selective offense and only being offended when told to care.

This is delicious. I could eat this line for supper every day

 

[dead_soft]

There's nothing he said that was bordering on racist; only in your demented head does that exist.

I assume you think I'm bordering on racist too as I agree 100% with him.

I repeat - that post is embarrassing. You should be ashamed of it.

Nice little bot of patronising. 'you should be ashamed' Massive lol at that.

He literally said the phrase 'I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.' and that is what I was responding to.

 

[Tubey]

Nice little bot of patronising. 'you should be ashamed' Massive lol at that.

He literally said the phrase 'I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.' and that is what I was responding to.

Yes he's bemused by it being the depiction of his views, not being literal.

For you to then reply stating he actually IS bordering on racist is ridiculous.

 

[coollino]

You know what is really bad about this? The part that people aren't saying but it shows you how pathetic this really is?

Edward coulston joined the slave trade for 8 years of his 75 year life. He started as a trader of other products before investing in what everyone else was investing in at the time. 8 years. Consider the last 8 years of your life compared to every other one so far .

He gave back to Bristol for the majority of his 75 years of life, in fact 31 years before he died after he left the company so to speak.

If that is a man that our modern society paints as evil and not worth honouring in a statue because of the times he lived in then we are going down a dark path in this country now.

So, if you kill people in a quick time span and then live a long life it's fine because your % of killing time to life lived goes down?

 

[Kenshin]

This is delicious. I could eat this line for supper every day

Why didn't anyone tear the statue down before?

 

[mill]

Because it wasn't considered as important how he got the money at the time. It's problematic now, it wasn't then. The statue didn't celebrate slave trading one iota. If we apply modern sensibilities on everything we'd have to tear down half the country.

Volkswagen was the brain child of the Nazis - do we go around burning every car they've ever made because of that?

Do you think it unreasonable that people may find the statue offensive?

A statue is not the same as a car, or indeed a history book. A statue is there to commemorate and pay homage to the individual. So it’s a false equivalence to talk about a VW as a car isn’t celebrating an ideal.

I don’t find the statue offensive at all. But then I’ve never been oppressed.

I don’t think people are being unreasonable about finding it offensive. I can empathise with that idea completely.

My question is do you care about the statue? Or that it’s being questioned?

Do you think there might be a better thing to celebrate that might be more inclusive?

If a statue hurt me in some way I wouldn’t want to see it front and centre in the place a live or grew up. If I was one person than maybe I’d suffer in silence. But if I was one of many then I’d want to do something about it.

People aren’t trying to rewrite history. They are trying to tell the real history of something that was already rewritten.

This world was built on white supremacy and we’ve ignored it for hundreds of years because it was the norm and acceptable. Now it isn’t. So why should we continue to celebrate the dehumanisation of people in a way that offends.

Stick it in a museum where it belongs. And celebrate something more inclusive.

People have done that for millennia.

 

[dead_soft]

Yes he's bemused by it being the depiction of his views, not being literal.

For you to then reply stating he actually IS bordering on racist is ridiculous.

That's not what he said and not how he comes across. I just repeated what he said back to him.