Spadge Vernacular
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Have you spent time (not a holiday) in Africa, mate?
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Have you spent time (not a holiday) in Africa, mate?
You said "black people can't be racist" mate. I'm not twisting those words.
If you meant "black people can't be systemic racists", then fine. But say that.
I'm assuming he means "in the USA/UK" etc.
Systemic racism is about the majority who runs institutions. For example, Japan are mad racist towards whites/blacks to a crazy degree, so whites - as the minority there - can't be systemically racist towards the Japanese, but they can be personally racist.
tsubaki
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This is what I mean by “redefining”.
The issue was never why the statue was put up in the first place; it was about acknowledging what he did.
Colstons “philanthropy” was paid for by his earnings, a lot of which came from slaves. The people in Bristol spent years trying to get that publicly acknowledged in a permanent way, didn’t get very far and then the statue got thrown in the sea. That is it.
There is no wider argument that only spotless records get statues, only the bleatings of the Farages, Yaxley-Lennons and for some reason you making claims that there is.
Some of the most gobsmacking racism I witnessed in my time in London was that of Afro Caribbean folk towards Africans. Some spectacular examples but
I guess the case of Damilola Taylor was one of the worst.
ForeverBlue92
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Buckle in its going to be a good day in here lol
Edward Colston statue replaced by sculpture of Black Lives Matter protester Jen Reid
Exclusive: Artist Marc Quinn leads secret mission to install resin-and-steel figure of Jen Reid at site of toppled Bristol slave traderwww.theguardian.com
Imagine the uproar if this black nationalist statue was pulled down.
If the original was to be replaced then replace it with something that promotes/shows racial unity not some clown doing a supremacist hand signal.
Country is going to the dogs.
The statue was placed solely to celebrate his philanthropy. There wasn't a need to acknowledge what he did, because it was never put in place to celebrate his slave trading.
It's you who is trying to redefine what the statue stood for. My whole point is that the statue reflects the context of the society that erected it, not ours.
There absolutely is a wider argument about what statues get torn down; it's backtracking to an insane degree to say there isn't. And it's always for the same reason - what they are celebrated for in the context of their own era is being retroactively diluted by those in the modern era who disagree with a part of their lives they were not celebrated for with those statues.
Unfortunate auto-emoji in that post.
That's no fun. I bet you won't even play three card monte with me.
Go ahead, find the lady. I'm just defining the terms of the game.
Ihaters
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Not responding to anyone in particular but...
If you want an end to racism, you need to not cause massive divides between races. I agreed with the BLM sentiment entirely until they started gathering in large numbers in the midst of Covid and defacing and pulling down statues, now as is so often the case on the net, I am finding myself getting entrenched on a side I don't really agree with.
I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.
History is history, if you are going to move on, don't eradicate the past...learn from it, but also get some context people ffs.
Churchill's statue is not celebrating a slave trader, that is not what the statue is about, it's about freedom, defying the odds, standing up to injustice, underdogs winning through sacrifice and determination, a leader taking a tiny country to war with a power threatening to destroy the world and combined with our allies... ultimately winning.
If anything I would of thought these values would of been appreciated by this group.
I may even of had a little respect for what they wanted to do if they went through appropriate channels, as it is, the group doing this (not all of BLM, but those responsible) are just a bunch of vandals defying lockdown, putting everyone at risk, and I cannot respect that on any level.
If you want an end to racism, you need to not cause massive divides between races. I agreed with the BLM sentiment entirely until they started gathering in large numbers in the midst of Covid and defacing and pulling down statues, now as is so often the case on the net, I am finding myself getting entrenched on a side I don't really agree with.
I'm now in danger of bordering on racist in an attempt to say how wrong it is that they are destroying historic monuments.
History is history, if you are going to move on, don't eradicate the past...learn from it, but also get some context people ffs.
Churchill's statue is not celebrating a slave trader, that is not what the statue is about, it's about freedom, defying the odds, standing up to injustice, underdogs winning through sacrifice and determination, a leader taking a tiny country to war with a power threatening to destroy the world and combined with our allies... ultimately winning.
If anything I would of thought these values would of been appreciated by this group.
I may even of had a little respect for what they wanted to do if they went through appropriate channels, as it is, the group doing this (not all of BLM, but those responsible) are just a bunch of vandals defying lockdown, putting everyone at risk, and I cannot respect that on any level.
Kenshin
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Buckle in its going to be a good day in here lol
Edward Colston statue replaced by sculpture of Black Lives Matter protester Jen Reid
Exclusive: Artist Marc Quinn leads secret mission to install resin-and-steel figure of Jen Reid at site of toppled Bristol slave trader
Actually
This literally is the george Orwell coming to life.
To quote again for relevance
If you want an end to racism...
If you want an end to poverty...
If you want an end to war...
Our default (at least for most of us) is to assign the best motivations to others. If their behavior indicates consistently that the outcomes are at odds with the stated motivations, you have to start questioning the motivations. Is it possible for the goal to be an increase in racial conflict? If so, what would that accomplish and who would benefit?
Chemotherapy and radiation eradicate a deadly cancer, but they are pure hell on the patient. If the goal is to kill the patient, the treatment will continue even after the cancer has been eradicated. What do you do when you no longer trust your doctor?
Og God. Am utterly useless with technical gear.
I have for a few weeks in Ghana. Got treated really well. Felt huge amounts of guilt, knowing what the reaction would be to a random African guy walking through my bigoted village. People would stop me in the street and chat away. I’d be thinking ‘what’s the angle here’ then they’d just wander off. Got called ‘white boy’ several times but always in a jovial manner and I found it very funny.
coollino
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Have you read 1984?
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