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[tim cahill]

If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow Leave would win by an even bigger majority than it did the first time around.

Probably. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been a disaster.

 

[arminisgod]

Probably. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been a disaster.

In your opinion. The doomsday armageddon peddled by remain hasn't happened

 

[tim cahill]

Im not disagreeing with that, but we can’t go back to the Blair way of things because that type of politics won’t get labour in power.

Blair was a young, charismatic figure that fronted a new way of politics after decades of stodgy tories.

Starmer is a man in his late 50’s who has the charisma of a wet flannel.

Labour can be an electable party that aligns itself to the centre, running on progressive policies that proved popular in the Corbyn era.

We don’t have to have one or the other.

I agree. But Starmer has made it that way by alienating the left. He's done the opposite of what he promised which is why I don't think Labour have a chance under his leadership.

 

[davids]

Opposition is a tough gig and Long Corbyn is a debilitating illness - evidence continues to emerge that it can harm the patient long after the initial infection period.

I can't say Starmer's looking great right now but most don't in opposition - it's mainly about not making a show of yourself when things are against you, but then being able to capitalise when events shift in your favour. There aren't many Barack Obama's out there - people who look that good in opposition that they can just defy events and set the narrative their way regardless.

If the blatant fraud and dogs breakfast the Tories are making of the pandemic wasn't enough to retain a seat like Hartlepool then Starmer needs to do the right thing.

 

[peteblue]

Nails it.

Hartlepool fell victim to the Labour leader’s lack of vision | Owen Jones

Having lost a seat that Corbyn outperformed him in twice, it’s Starmer who looks like the less than competent politician now, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

 

[tim cahill]

In your opinion. The doomsday armageddon peddled by remain hasn't happened

Huge reduction in exports, loads of extra red tape when less red tape was promised. Irish sea border with Northern Ireland and tensions that come with that. Tensions with France. Reputation of our country dragged through the dirt. Livelihoods of many people in peril as a direct consequence of Brexit. I could go on...

I'd call that a disaster personally. What would you call it?

 

[Charro]

I agree. But Starmer has made it that way by alienating the left. He's done the opposite of what he promised which is why I don't think Labour have a chance under his leadership.

Yeah.

I voted for him on his unity stance of bringing together the left and centre of the party, thinking he was the most electable.

He’s gone against that and lost every demographic of labour voter we had.

People will disagree and say the left doesn’t matter but they forget the Blair wins had the left vote sewn up and they were lost after Iraq.

Labour can’t get in power without the left, unless they make a pact with greens, Lib Dem’s and offer SNP and referendum.

 

[tommytowne]

Huge reduction in exports, loads of extra red tape when less red tape was promised. Irish sea border with Northern Ireland and tensions that come with that. Tensions with France. Reputation of our country dragged through the dirt. Livelihoods of many people in peril as a direct consequence of Brexit. I could go on...

I'd call that a disaster personally. What would you call it?

Temporary blip.

 

[arminisgod]

Huge reduction in exports, loads of extra red tape when less red tape was promised. Irish sea border with Northern Ireland and tensions that come with that. Tensions with France. Reputation of our country dragged through the dirt. Livelihoods of many people in peril as a direct consequence of Brexit. I could go on...

I'd call that a disaster personally. What would you call it?

Progress.

I work for a company that exports and its sorted now. Goods are flowing. As a business we have gained lots of business and retailers due to brexit as they find it easier to buy British.

So some livelihoods have been secured

 

[tim cahill]

Progress.

I work for a company that exports and its sorted now. Goods are flowing. As a business we have gained lots of business and retailers due to brexit as they find it easier to buy British.

So some livelihoods have been secured

As long as your company is sorted. That's the main thing.

 

[tommytowne]

As long as your company is sorted. That's the main thing.

Proof if it were needed that there are companies that have weathered the initial storm.

 

[davek]

Yeah.

I voted for him on his unity stance of bringing together the left and centre of the party, thinking he was the most electable.

He’s gone against that and lost every demographic of labour voter we had.

People will disagree and say the left doesn’t matter but they forget the Blair wins had the left vote sewn up and they were lost after Iraq.

Labour can’t get in power without the left, unless they make a pact with greens, Lib Dem’s and offer SNP and referendum.

You vote Tory.

Stop trying to make out you're a LP supporter. You're about as LP as @arminisgod is a LP member.

 

[Walken]

Keep blaming the press is not the answer or the cause of Labours demise.
The biggest media channel in the country the BBC is totally pro labour and anti Tory but
they still got hammered. It’s about policies and what they stand for. That’s what people vote on.

This is pure delusion

 

[Charro]

You vote Tory.

Stop trying to make out you're a LP supporter. You're about as LP as @arminisgod is a LP member.

Lol ok mate.

Im not a labour supporter anymore so you are right on that.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

The Spiv fans and their cheerleaders keep waffling the same old song , oh the bbc and the media are left wing what rancid garbage that is , the media might be politically correct but that does not mean they are left wing or supporters of Socialism , the working class tories are the true traitors on this country because they fall for the divide and conquer trick every time , how thick can you get voting for a party that opposed every battle that the Trade Unions fought for , eg workers rights , sick pay , holidays for workers , maternity rights etc , do you think the tories and their rabble ever supported this and to this day they still dont