tsubaki
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Wakefield Council has been Red as long as I remember. They're awful.
Mr Box turned down the opportunity to have a 20k-seater international cricket ground built just round the corner from mine, a stone's throw away from the M1, because - and this was his quote - "who likes cricket anyway?". Turns out he'd just received a nice little pay off from some mates who wanted to build offices (think it's PEEL Holdings who own the land, ironically considering BMD).
He also scrapped plans for Wakefield Trinity's new ground, which was to be located to the north of the city right near the M1/M62 intersection, and instead let another mate get the land to build a warehouse, which has now started without planning permission being officially granted.
He's not involved anymore I don't think, but this is the kind of tat that Labour have thrown up. And I imagine the Tory candidate would be exactly the same. The rest aren't even worth the time of day, as they'll never get in.
I should have voted. I was busy in the morning and then got out on my bike before work. Didn't finish til 11 so by then it was too late. I'd have voted Labour because I won't vote Tory and never have.
Also, the current Labour council won't be helped by the fact there's now a Tory MP in place, which was the first time that's happened in the district since the 1930s, I think.
Well, it kind of is. Obviously not everyone, but there's definitely been a shift.
Brexit was a massive thing for a lot of Labour voters. It'll take a while to get them back, and certainly more than Starmer is offering.
Is there anybody in the party currently who you think will be able to offer what Labour need? A charismatic leader who has good ideals, but also knows how to package it?
Genuine question, cause I don't know.
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I’ve been in the union all my working life and voted Labour. But now I feel I’m doing so out habit or loyalty. I don’t get inspired by any of the recent leaders and I think (even as a union member) the basis for unions need to modernise and reflect the new economies, new types of contracts and challenge more in a legal/legislation way rather than industrial action or picking party leaders.
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Chickens coming home to roost for the Far Left.
Poor Sir Keir is like Ancelotti - he can only do so much with the rubbish he has been dumped with.
Poor Sir Keir is like Ancelotti - he can only do so much with the rubbish he has been dumped with.
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Opposition is a tough gig and Long Corbyn is a debilitating illness - evidence continues to emerge that it can harm the patient long after the initial infection period.
I can't say Starmer's looking great right now but most don't in opposition - it's mainly about not making a show of yourself when things are against you, but then being able to capitalise when events shift in your favour. There aren't many Barack Obama's out there - people who look that good in opposition that they can just defy events and set the narrative their way regardless.
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I mentioned last night I think Clive Lewis would be good. Left wing, seems media savvy, ex-forces so harder for him to be painted as unpatriotic by the flag-shaggers.
Whether large parts of this country would accept a black leader is a depressing concern.
tsubaki
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It isn’t though, and going around saying it isn’t is of course another way of delegitimising them (in the same way “far left” / “extremist” / “Marxist” was).
Starmers (and Labour) got to do better, to come up with more compelling reasons to vote for them and to critique what the Government are doing - but that’s never going to happen when he surrounds himself with creatures who’ve not managed to do either over the past ten years.
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It was a huge issue under Corbyn.
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Dead duck party and have been for quite sometime. Says everything about just how bad Labour have become when even this current minging Tory lot constantly win General Elections against them with ease.
Complete joke of a party.
Complete joke of a party.
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It was a huge issue under Corbyn.
It was a huge issue, but with a very small number of people involved - all in the PLP or HQ (or occasionally councillors) plus ex-MPs and hacks. They’d never have been reasoned with either, as we saw by what some of them did in 2019.
I don't think everyone is, I can only take it from my experience.
People in the cities, people around my age, generally, they still vote Labour. I think the 'middle ground' has been lost to this current Tory party because they have a way (mainly through lying, it seems) of winning those voters over.
I don't think the Labour voter that I thought of when I grew up is now the everyday Labour voter, is my point. I think those have been lost. And while there's nothing wrong with a party having different sections of society start to vote for them (that's what you want at the end of the day) they seem to have, for one reason or another, lost a bit of that foundation and base votership.
I think they need a massive revamp. I was willing to give Starmer time but he's about as useful as a marzipan dildo, as a great, fictional man once said. But we've seen Corbyn didn't work either, despite being a good bloke.
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