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[davids]

I think that's it.

Corbyn was vocal, and thus, became incredibly popular with the "casual" voter, the issue being, there are less "casual" voters, than there are with people with vested interest, and he was never really recovering from previous issues from his past.

I just think Starmer missed the boat with the huge opportunity to win young voters over for years to come, and to be perfectly honest, I can't actually tell you what he's standing for. He's just exactly what a leader shouldn't be, weak, passive and not very engaging, and when he is, you see just how little he's done for the country, like the gent from Bath last week.

Know your audience.

Having a party " leader" who has bent the knee was never a bright move by Labour.

 

[ToffeeTim]

apparently these policies were tried in focus groups where they were overwhelmingly supported, then rejected when people involved in the groups were told they were Labour policies.

Sounds a bit mad but was what I heard earlier today on 5live.

My impression back at the election was that a lot of the policies were individually popular, but when you put the whole package together, voters didn't think it was realistic or deliverable. Brexit was obviously a big issue in 2019 as well, so the policy debate will have got lost in all that.

I do think it's a stretch though to say that the policies were all really popular, and it was a great manifesto, when Labour lost so badly.

 

[kenada_blue]

A lot of the left of the party are pretty keen or would at least accept Burnham so I'm not sure what you mean?

A Blair-ite centralist they wanted all out of the party under Corbyn you mean? The same people they blamed for sabotaging Corbyns reign?

 

[kenada_blue]

I think that's it.

Corbyn was vocal, and thus, became incredibly popular with the "casual" voter, the issue being, there are less "casual" voters, than there are with people with vested interest, and he was never really recovering from previous issues from his past.

I just think Starmer missed the boat with the huge opportunity to win young voters over for years to come, and to be perfectly honest, I can't actually tell you what he's standing for. He's just exactly what a leader shouldn't be, weak, passive and not very engaging, and when he is, you see just how little he's done for the country, like the gent from Bath last week.

Know your audience.

Absolutely

 

[PaulPowersTash]

How long until Burnham is leader?

Thats what he's been angling for - for sometime now.
Got out of Labour when Corbyn came as he knew they would
be unelectable. Waited for the next guy to do the dirty work and
heavy lifting and will now step in as a saviour. As much as I don't like
the bloke he's a smart politician.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Despite Johnson, a Torie party split on brexit, lame duck leaders, May, Major and tory slease, and the effects of austerity , Labour couldnt make a dent in them and infact Has lost ground, and has suffered GE humiliation.
Instead of learning from it some want to blame the press, Gammon's anybody infact who doesn't agree slavishly to there metropolitan, uni educated, neo liberalism view of the world for the failure of this one great party, when it's clear it's there message that has no real appeal to anyone outside of their shrinking core support.
As normal they will cry arse about it ,march about blame , the older generation so called racists ect and drag the party further into irrelevance.
The party has lost it's way , nobody is buying into what they are selling and havnt done for at least a decade , it plays out ok on the web, but in the real world were it counts it a abject failure in the ballot box.

Head. Nail. Hit.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Really struggle to take to Burnham. Personally I would like to see Labour should go with a female leader.

Up to his neck in Blair's ID card fiasco, and in fact he was very unedifying in the debates against David Davies and Liberty under Chakrabarti both stood against New Labour on this issue... He had to apologise in the end for the sexual slurs he made. Maybe that makes him one of the lads...

Shami Chakrabarti threatens to sue Andy Burnham over David Davis remark

Liberty director brands Burnham comment linking her to David Davis resignation a "smear"

www.theguardian.com

 

[dead_soft]

A Blair-ite centralist they wanted all out of the party under Corbyn you mean? The same people they blamed for sabotaging Corbyns reign?

What are you talking about? Who is blaming Burnham for sabotaging Corbyn's leadership?

 

[Del-boy]

Used to vote Labour but haven’t in a while. They need a full rebrand and have to get rid off old faces who are divisive. Starmer just come-across to me as a Tory in disguise. He has to go along with Abbott and Butler to name a few.

I just can’t see myself voting for them which I find strange considering how much of a disgrace the Tory party have been for the last decade.

I won’t be voting for a while as who is out there who you can believe in?

 

[kenada_blue]

What are you talking about? Who is blaming Burnham for sabotaging Corbyn's leadership?

I didn't say Burnham himself, I said the type of politician he is.

You said the left would be keen or would accept Burnham. I disagree as they wanted his type of politics out of the party under Corbyn, and blamed the Blairites for the smear campaign against him. Not Burnham himself (he was out of the frame)

 

[BlueToff]

My impression back at the election was that a lot of the policies were individually popular, but when you put the whole package together, voters didn't think it was realistic or deliverable. Brexit was obviously a big issue in 2019 as well, so the policy debate will have got lost in all that.

I do think it's a stretch though to say that the policies were all really popular, and it was a great manifesto, when Labour lost so badly.

It's what ardent Corbyn supporters have been saying for the last 2 years.

Labour's a mess. It was under Corbyn (post 2017) and it is now under Starmer.

I didn't vote yesterday. I honestly just couldn't be arsed. That's bad of me I know. I don't even know who the councillor or Mayor candidate or whatever it was for my area is. I had no motivation to vote for anybody.

The only leaflet or information I've received about the entire thing was last week when we got a Tory one through. It was just some stuff about recent planning applications for buildings not being put through the proper channels (and asking why that was).

Wakefield is a Labour Council (unless that's changed today), and honestly it makes no difference in my mind because they're friggin awful. The former Labour councillor Mr Box is one of the most corrupt going. Red or Blue, they're all as bad as each other.

 

[dead_soft]

I didn't say Burnham himself, I said the type of politician he is.

You said the left would be keen or would accept Burnham. I disagree as they wanted his type of politics out of the party under Corbyn, and blamed the Blairites for the smear campaign against him. Not Burnham himself (he was out of the frame)

That's a bit of a shift from 'Id say it's what scares the far left to take someone like Burnham onboard' when a lot of the left are fine with him. It seems you are trying to create a group of people that don't exist in any numbers in the party

 

[dead_soft]

It's what ardent Corbyn supporters have been saying for the last 2 years.

Labour's a mess. It was under Corbyn (post 2017) and it is now under Starmer.

I didn't vote yesterday. I honestly just couldn't be arsed. That's bad of me I know. I don't even know who the councillor or Mayor candidate or whatever it was for my area is. I had no motivation to vote for anybody.

The only leaflet or information I've received about the entire thing was last week when we got a Tory one through. It was just some stuff about recent planning applications for buildings not being put through the proper channels (and asking why that was).

Wakefield is a Labour Council (unless that's changed today), and honestly it makes no difference in my mind because they're friggin awful. The former Labour councillor Mr Box is one of the most corrupt going. Red or Blue, they're all as bad as each other.

whilst I can understand a form of the apathy or disengagement saying ' I don't even know who the councillor or Mayor candidate or whatever it was for my area is' and then 'Red or Blue, they're all as bad as each other.' doesn't really add up. Councils make huge differences, local politics is vital

 

[BlueToff]

Used to vote Labour but haven’t in a while. They need a full rebrand and have to get rid off old faces who are divisive. Starmer just come-across to me as a Tory in disguise. He has to go along with Abbott and Butler to name a few.

I just can’t see myself voting for them which I find strange considering how much of a disgrace the Tory party have been for the last decade.

I won’t be voting for a while as who is out there who you can believe in?

Like it or not, Labour need someone with the charisma of Blair and (mostly) the ideals of Corbyn.

They have become the party of students and YUPPIES and - this is no offence to anybody btw - people in the north west.

That's genuinely about it now.

 

[Prevenger17]

Lol at Starmer. But sad for the UK