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[ToffeeTim]

They are "hopeful" they can hold the Greens off to "take" 3rd place overall in Scotland.

Lol.

That doesn't sound good. Although I can't see how they would be in worse than 3rd place. They should really be very close to second place.

 

[davek]

That doesn't sound good. Although I can't see how they would be in worse than 3rd place. They should really be very close to second place.

Not with what they're selling.

 

[barneygumble]

I think for Starmer, he was onto a losing battle.

Corbyn was extremely radical in how he spoke, and was extremely popular with the younger population. Whether that would be a good way going forward, I really don't know, Starmer almost comes across as a Conservative sympathiser, and it's such a contrast to how Corbyn was, that it was always going to be an uphill battle.

That said, I think he's a weak leader, and the wrong fit, but as long as he's got his support he'll remain.

 

[kenada_blue]

Corbyn's 'failure' was down to a ruthless, co-ordinated, national daily assasination by the Murdoch media who were terified of him

Murdoch had more power when Blair came into power in the 90s than he does now. Now there's more than just him with Facebook, twitter, and a whole host of other media outlets he doesn't control that the Tories latched on to. The Tories played it better that they basically lied to people, admitted it, and STILL got in without much opposition. Labour basically had Owen Jones being wheeled out to annoy people.

It's almost like saying it's the "old people" that stopped Corbyn like it's the "legacy" fans arguement and created with Young v Old situation rather than uniting people.

He didn't play the game, didn't try to persuade middle voters or wantaway labour voters (some actually genuinely upset that they voted Tory after being labour for decades), he passively sat back with his following and said "take me as I am".

Then there was all the anti Jew stuff.

101 on how to not unite a party or country

 

[kenada_blue]

I think for Starmer, he was onto a losing battle.

Corbyn was extremely radical in how he spoke, and was extremely popular with the younger population. Whether that would be a good way going forward, I really don't know, Starmer almost comes across as a Conservative sympathiser, and it's such a contrast to how Corbyn was, that it was always going to be an uphill battle.

That said, I think he's a weak leader, and the wrong fit, but as long as he's got his support he'll remain.

Feller seemed lazy too. Just pops up when asked to retrospectively disapprove something.

Tories didn't even had to put any effort in to oust this feller

 

[Walken]

Murdoch had more power when Blair came into power in the 90s than he does now. Now there's more than just him with Facebook, twitter, and a whole host of other media outlets he doesn't control that the Tories latched on to. The Tories played it better that they basically lied to people, admitted it, and STILL got in without much opposition. Labour basically had Owen Jones being wheeled out to annoy people.

It's almost like saying it's the "old people" that stopped Corbyn like it's the "legacy" fans arguement and created with Young v Old situation rather than uniting people.

He didn't play the game, didn't try to persuade middle voters or wantaway labour voters (some actually genuinely upset that they voted Tory after being labour for decades), he passively sat back with his following and said "take me as I am".

Then there was all the anti Jew stuff.

101 on how to not unite a party or country

The lesson is be deceitful scum and let your rich pals who you are assest stripping the country for do the lifting for you no matter how evil you are or how many lives it costs? How do you marry that with the changing the country for a better, fairer place?

If Lee attwater had been drowned at birth maybe we wouldn't be in this awful situation of compromising basically being a good person to attain influence and then hoping you haven't sold out enough to destroy less lives than that fat odious 6 fingered horse fcuker johnson

 

[barneygumble]

Feller seemed lazy too. Just pops up when asked to retrospectively disapprove something.

Tories didn't even had to put any effort in to oust this feller

He did nothing to show he was fighting a battle for Labour. Again, whilst Corbyn was on the other end of the spectrum entirely, the every day person, who isn't invested in politics, needs to be shown how much their leader wants them.

In reality, he's watched on, been quiet on all fronts and when he was loud, was making comments which arguably, the working class people didn't want. Suggesting that BJ was too lenient on Lockdown etc (which in my opinion he was), but people don't want to hear it.

I can't remember a weaker leader for Labour, it feels almost like a Lib Dem resignation for Labour, and they're still on their knees, he needs to go.

 

[evilwebby]

Why have you quoted me to say that?

The point I was responding to was a guy saying that he disagreed that the media played a role in how people saw Johnson because they see Johnson as a good bloke, and I was questioning how that opinion was arrived at without the media being involved unless there was a personal experience.

And personally I'm pretty sure an hour with Keir Starmer would be boring, but Johnson physically repulses me so I wouldn't sit at a dinner table in the same town as him, let alone the same one being regaled with Bullingdon memories.

Being boring is a far bigger political handicap than being repulsive.

 

[dannyboy]

The really important issue that matters to the people of Hartlepool.

 

[DanEFC92]

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The really important issue that matters to the people of Hartlepool.

Said before, zero self-reflection.

 

[Charro]

Blue tick twitter.

That seems to be the demo Starmers Labour has been going for.

Just waiting for the Jess Phillips push now.

 

[dead_soft]

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The really important issue that matters to the people of Hartlepool.

It's really something how many people talk about Labour having lost touch with the voters and then keep suggesting it's internal party politics that are what they care about

 

[kenada_blue]

The lesson is be deceitful scum and let your rich pals who you are assest stripping the country for do the lifting for you no matter how evil you are or how many lives it costs? How do you marry that with the changing the country for a better, fairer place?

If Lee attwater had been drowned at birth maybe we wouldn't be in this awful situation of compromising basically being a good person to attain influence and then hoping you haven't sold out enough to destroy less lives than that fat odious 6 fingered horse fcuker johnson

By getting into power. If the game allows lying and cheating etc to stay into power for decades, then what are you doing wrong?

Do what you need to do to get into power. It's politics. If you can find me a straight as an arrow politician, than I'll find you a liar or at least someone no suited to the game.

Once you're in. You change from the inside.

 

[dead_soft]

Blue tick twitter.

That seems to be the demo Starmers Labour has been going for.

Just waiting for the Jess Phillips push now.

Ian Dunt and Matt Forde ready to opine on stuff in a patronising manner despite knowing incredibly little but get kudos because they liked Blair

 

[dead_soft]

By getting into power. If the game allows lying and cheating etc to stay into power for decades, then what are you doing wrong?

Do what you need to do to get into power. It's politics. If you can find me a straight as an arrow politician, than I'll find you a liar or at least someone no suited to the game.

Once you're in. You change from the inside.

This is quite a big leap