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[NilSatisOptimum]

He is but it's nothing to do with being privileged etc. It's because he looks and acts like a bloke who just says what he thinks and isn't faking.

Hence why people are willing to accept his mistakes. Also his comments like women in burkas look like postboxes etc.

Loads of the country found that funny and not racist even when the media were telling everyone it was and to be offended

Would have been sacked and hounded out of field of work and in probability in prison had I behaved in the way Johnson has.
Says more about you and those who vote for him. The curve of neutralization, thuggery and criminality seeping into day to day life.

 

[peteblue]

 

[davek]

NEC members calling for Starmer to quit.

Fat chance. The LP are lumbered with him for now.

Another by-election loss soon and he'll be toast, though.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Can't ignore and not get cosy with it though. It's why Corbyn was such a failure.

Corbyn's 'failure' was down to a ruthless, co-ordinated, national daily assasination by the Murdoch media who were terified of him

 

[Mrk]

Tony Blair is only 68. He's got another 10 years in him... it's not too late.

 

[davek]

Trounced in Scotland too aparently. No solace there for Starmer's Labour-lite Party. The LP up there being bested by a sectarian driven Tory scum party is the pits as far as I'm concerned. It really points the finger at how bankrupt the LP is.

 

[davek]

Hartlepool: 15,000 voted for Corbyn in 2019; 8,000 voted for Starmer in 2021.

Let that sink in.

Mr Forensic has HALVED Labour's vote.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Trounced in Scotland too aparently. No solace there for Starmer's Labour-lite Party. The LP up there being bested by a sectarian driven Tory scum party is the pits as far as I'm concerned. It really points the finger at how bankrupt the LP is.

Really?

I thought Labour would do well on the list system, because it's more in favour of the parties not winning the constituencies under FPTP

 

[Eggs]

.....difficult one for Labour. Swing to the left and they will go further into the political wilderness. Still suffering from Corbyn era & now in no-man’s land. it needs a fresh strategy and fresh faces.

Long, long road back and an Opening for them to be leapfrogged by another party.

 

[TheWinslowBoy]

NEC members calling for Starmer to quit.

Fat chance. The LP are lumbered with him for now.

Another by-election loss soon and he'll be toast, though.

Dave, he'll only be toast when the right have driven enough of the membership away so they can get another rightwinger elected to replace him.

Even after losing 100,000 members they won't risk a leadership election any time soon.

 

[davek]

Really?

I thought Labour would do well on the list system, because it's more in favour of the parties not winning the constituencies under FPTP

They are "hopeful" they can hold the Greens off to "take" 3rd place overall in Scotland.

Lol.

 

[Xizor]

most people would rather have Boris Johnson sitting across a dinner table from them than Keir Starmer. Johnson looks like be able to strike up an interesting conversation and tell a few good stories. Keir Starmer would tell you about the time he pulled a pickle out of his backside.

Why have you quoted me to say that?

The point I was responding to was a guy saying that he disagreed that the media played a role in how people saw Johnson because they see Johnson as a good bloke, and I was questioning how that opinion was arrived at without the media being involved unless there was a personal experience.

And personally I'm pretty sure an hour with Keir Starmer would be boring, but Johnson physically repulses me so I wouldn't sit at a dinner table in the same town as him, let alone the same one being regaled with Bullingdon memories.

 

[Azza]

.....difficult one for Labour. Swing to the left and they will go further into the political wilderness. Still suffering from Corbyn era & now in no-man’s land. it needs a fresh strategy and fresh faces.

Long, long road back and an Opening for them to be leapfrogged by another party.

If voting in England does change then there would be a big opportunity there for Labour, but then again the Greens would look very appealing to many young people.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Labour need at least about 80 seats (net gains) to get into power again, and that would be through some form of coalition. They need about 120 more seats to get a majority government.

A lot can change in politics, but the reality could be that it will take two elections to get those sort of gains. Labour won their enormous majority in 97, and it took 3 more elections for the Tories to even get back into hung parliament territory. If Starmer wins the next election, it would be a very impressive result. I'm not sure another leadership change is sensible at this time, or would even do any good. There are 3 more years till the election, and Starmer should probably be judged on that.

 

[davek]

Dave, he'll only be toast when the right have driven enough of the membership away so they can get another rightwinger elected to replace him.

Even after losing 100,000 members they won't risk a leadership election any time soon.

...yes, and his strategy has failed 100% where it matters - at the ballot. That attack on the left isn't working. It's just weakened the party on the ground in constituencies. He's desitined to carry that on, though, because he's controlled by Mandelson et al and they only know one game: hammer your own left and move to the right. One more major defeat with that strategy - and it will come - and even the so called centre-left who comprise the bulk of the PLP will revolt and remove him.

Hopefully by that time the LP ex-membership and left TUs will have a new party off the ground.