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[davek]

The call will go out to Blairites Cooper, Reeves, Hilary Benn to join the top team of Labour.

Lol. The 1990s tribute act rolls on.

Labour reshuffle and policy review expected after May election losses

Keir Starmer under pressure to reassert leadership after Hartlepool byelection defeat and Tory council gains

www.theguardian.com

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Labour have been unable to handle the fallout of brexit. They didn’t back it fully so labour brexit voters have switched to the party that did. That’s the main issue here.
would be interested to know how many brexit voters continue to support labour. Would imagine that’s the base they’ve lost.

Not been replicated in Wales which also voted nationally for Brexit, Welsh Labour also had a remain platform, however, has maintained its vote base, and increasing in many Welsh Tory areas.

 

[davek]

There are only 40 seats in Wales. You need at least 280 to be able to form some type of government. That means winning probably 250+ seats in England and there is no evidence that a party further to the left can win in England. A centre left party in tune with what voters care about can definitely win but the further left Labour go the harder it is to win.

That scenario was only foiled in 2017 because the LPs own bureaucracy sabotaged the election campaign - that resulted in a hung parliamant rather than a LP win.

 

[dannyboy]

The difference between Labour in London and Labour in Wales is night-and-day, isn't it?

Values driven campaign, led by someone unpolished but genuine with an emphasis on policies.

Flag shagging, every photo being with a drink, zero policy, fake.

If there's one thing that people hate more than someone who doesn't wrap themselves in a flag with a pint in their hand, it's someone who does it for the cameras without any authenticity. Everyone can sense how forced it is and it's embarrassing.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not been replicated in Wales which also voted nationally for Brexit, Welsh Labour also had a remain platform, however, has maintained its vote base, and increasing in many Welsh Tory areas.

Bit of a random unrelated point this, but I did notice that turnout in Wales was very poor in places. It was in the mid 30s in places and thats about 30% lower than in Scotland and worse than a lot of council elections.

Is there a bit of apathy in Wales or not much interest in the Welsh assembly? The turnout was far far higher at the 2019 general.

 

[tsubaki]

The difference between Labour in London and Labour in Wales is night-and-day, isn't it?

Values driven campaign, led by someone unpolished but genuine with an emphasis on policies.

Flag shagging, every photo being with a drink, zero policy, fake.

its competence vs incompetence

Nor should the incompetence of the circle around Starmer surprise anyone; these are after all the people Corbyn smashed (twice). The people who finished fourth in a three horse race, with 4% of the votes in their own party.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Welsh Labour led by a left leadership holding onto power and building trust again in seats lost at the 2019 election.

Starmer though will listen to dinosaurs like Mandelson and double down on the attack on the left in the UK LP.

He's defo a sleeper agent activated by Tory HQ.

So much for the Corbyn effect on voters. The little line of blaming him and the socialists for the demise of the party has just gone out of the window

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Values driven campaign, led by someone unpolished but genuine with an emphasis on policies

Bingo!

And they talk about Starmer being grey...

Do think the almost daily coverage of all leaders and their Governments have had over the last year, Drakeford Sturgeon and Johnson have really reached into homes and people's lives like never before.

 

[arminisgod]

Trying to repeat 1997 in 2021 doesn't make sense. The country and indeed the world has changed.

I'd also look to the fact that outside of the PLP, Tony Blair is now one of the most unpopular figures in the UK. Whilst they didn't lose Scotland and the red wall seats in 2010 the rot had already set in.

He really isn't. Left wing people and parts of the media might tell people that but the average Joe en mass don't hate Blair.

He is the only leader to win an election in over 50 years, taking the party more to the centre whilst implementing huge socialist policies when in power.

But yeah.... he's the reason why Labour are now struggling. They were in the wilderness before and after him.

But yeah... its definitely his fault

 

[Khalekan]

Starmer rambling now.

Like a punch drunk boxer.

 

[Number_25]

Bit of a random unrelated point this, but I did notice that turnout in Wales was very poor in places. It was in the mid 30s in places and thats about 30% lower than in Scotland and worse than a lot of council elections.

Is there a bit of apathy in Wales or not much interest in the Welsh assembly? The turnout was far far higher at the 2019 general.

My nan has never missed an election, but stayed at home because of COVID. The mass advertising stuff for postal votes was mainly done on social media, and she usually listens to Radio Glamorgan - which is strictly non-politics most of the time.

 

[Khalekan]

Keep blaming the press is not the answer or the cause of Labours demise.
The biggest media channel in the country the BBC is totally pro labour and anti Tory but
they still got hammered. It’s about policies and what they stand for. That’s what people vote on.

lol

Oh come on, Paul.

The BBC is owt but “anti Tory”.

And deffo not “pro Labour”.

 

[tsubaki]

He really isn't. Left wing people and parts of the media might tell people that but the average Joe en mass don't hate Blair.

He is the only leader to win an election in over 50 years, taking the party more to the centre whilst implementing huge socialist policies when in power.

But yeah.... he's the reason why Labour are now struggling. They were in the wilderness before and after him.

But yeah... its definitely his fault

he lost four million votes between 1997 and 2005; another 900,000 went in 2010

I'd say losing nearly 37% of the people who voted for him in 1997 should tell you everything about what the average Joe thought of him (and New Labour) - and thats before it came out how he had behaved over Iraq, or in his time at the Quartet, or how he's enriched himself since.

 

[davek]

Nails it.

Hartlepool fell victim to the Labour leader’s lack of vision | Owen Jones

Having lost a seat that Corbyn outperformed him in twice, it’s Starmer who looks like the less than competent politician now, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

 

[Charro]

He really isn't. Left wing people and parts of the media might tell people that but the average Joe en mass don't hate Blair.

He is the only leader to win an election in over 50 years, taking the party more to the centre whilst implementing huge socialist policies when in power.

But yeah.... he's the reason why Labour are now struggling. They were in the wilderness before and after him.

But yeah... its definitely his fault

He’s a part, and was the start of the problem.

Labour has been on the slide since 2001 so he does take some of the blame.

People don’t trust the Labour Party and that’s largely down to Blair and the party in his image.

He last made an impact 20 years ago. The political landscape is completely different now, and a return to the Blair was of doing things isn’t working either.