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[Kurt.]

This is the kind of stupid in this country .... unbelievable

 

[Charro]

People dont trust Labour in vast areas of the 'red wall' because they failed them on Brexit. Not Blair

That’s true, but the rot had already set in with Blair, and labour felt the repercussions in 2010.

 

[Charro]

Stop with the excuses. You didn't realise the poll was public view.

You are completely bankrupt here.

I’m not bankrupt as I never have and never will vote tory.

Actions on an Internet forum and the ballot box are a bit different.

For what it’s worth, I couldn’t get down to vote as I’m in the middle of moving house. Would’ve voted green, like yourself if given the chance.

 

[arminisgod]

That’s true, but the rot had already set in with Blair, and labour felt the repercussions in 2010.

The rot you talk about was from an exceptional base. Labour haven't / hadn't come close to winning an election since the 70's.

This country doesn't care for socialist politics, the votes he lost weren't from core Labour voters. He lost the Tories he gained.

Brexit has turned core labour voters to the tories

 

[Blue 1]

This is the kind of stupid in this country .... unbelievable
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Like the ones on BBC this morning who said they changed from Labour to Tory because Labour cut police, the NHS and courts. Of course this went unchallenged by the interviewer.

 

[arminisgod]

Like the ones on BBC this morning who said they changed from Labour to Tory because Labour cut police, the NHS and courts. Of course this went unchallenged by the interviewer.

you can mock people like that but they have voted Labour for decades and what has it got them? Their towns are still poor, their high streets dead, Unemployment high.

 

[edge]

Corbyn wasn't a leader, but his instincts were to get out of the EU and to respect the referendum result. Just by adopting that policy at the last election we would not be here where we are today.

As for Starmer and his advisors: they chose a doctor who (never mind his attitude to Remain or Leave) advocated cutbacks in the hospital he himself worked in, which meant locals having to travel miles for treatment...and they never forgot it. THAT is decision making that completely damns the LP under Starmer on any number of levels.

Starmer is not even a politician. He's a Johnny-come-lately to front line politics - a careerist and in it for personal glory. He hasn't got a political instinct in him. He's touted as 'professional' and therefore a departure from Corbyn, but in reality he's more clueless than Corbyn as a leader...the fact he's taking advice from someone like Mandelson underlines that in spades.

The LP is done. A new party of the left is now a necessity.

Putting that candidate in was a joke , he was on a list of one imposed on the local members, he had already lost in a exit voting seat in the GE, had no links to the area, and despite being told by the locals not to run on the same day as the council and mayor election they imposed that as well.
Sadly shows they are not up to the job tactics wise.
The party is in grave danger.
The answer isnt coming from north London like the last 3 leaders I am afraid.
Look at that fella Mahmood who resigned yesterday , said exactly what a few of us on here have been saying for ages.

 

[Charro]

The rot you talk about was from an exceptional base. Labour haven't / hadn't come close to winning an election since the 70's.

This country doesn't care for socialist politics, the votes he lost weren't from core Labour voters. He lost the Tories he gained.

Brexit has turned core labour voters to the tories

Im not disagreeing with that, but we can’t go back to the Blair way of things because that type of politics won’t get labour in power.

Blair was a young, charismatic figure that fronted a new way of politics after decades of stodgy tories.

Starmer is a man in his late 50’s who has the charisma of a wet flannel.

Labour can be an electable party that aligns itself to the centre, running on progressive policies that proved popular in the Corbyn era.

We don’t have to have one or the other.

 

[Blue 1]

you can mock people like that but they have voted Labour for decades and what has it got them? Their towns are still poor, their high streets dead, Unemployment high.

I wasn't mocking. Just despairing.

 

[davek]

Putting that candidate in was a joke , he was on a list of one imposed on the local members, he had already lost in a exit voting seat in the GE, had no links to the area, and despite being told by the locals not to run on the same day as the council and mayor election they imposed that as well.
Sadly shows they are not up to the job tactics wise.
The party is in grave danger.
The answer isnt coming from north London like the last 3 leaders I am afraid.
Look at that fella Mahmood who resigned yesterday , said exactly what a few of us on here have been saying for ages.

Mahmood said something about reconnecting with former supporters and distancing the LP from WOKE attitudes. That's a caricature, and I wouldn;t mind betting that his resignation was prompted (or at the very least welcomed) by Starmer and his team to shift the blame to the left (as if the left in the party is all about "WOKE"ness).

I'm done with Labour. They'll be extinct very soon - and even quicker if they dont reconnect with that membership. The boots on the ground the left can put out there are essential to the LP in elections and the leadership have alienated them. That must have been a factor yesterday too.

Just a matter of time before the new partty of the left arrives.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

It is truly amazing that the bullingdon and the tories have managed to convince people that they are going to fix things that they have destroyed in the last 40 years , eg nhs , funding for police and nurses , levelling up what ever that means , for christ sake they are know talking about social justice , you have to question the sanity of people voting for a piece of lying garbage that is Bullingdon

 

[davek]

It is truly amazing that the bullingdon and the tories have managed to convince people that they are going to fix things that they have destroyed in the last 40 years , eg nhs , funding for police and nurses , levelling up what ever that means , for christ sake they are know talking about social justice , you have to question the sanity of people voting for a piece of lying garbage that is Bullingdon

Losers in life who see the attraction of being on the winning team and bathing in the "success"...by supporting the very people who've crushed their lives into dust.

It doesn't get much more tragic than that.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Losers in life who see the attraction of being on the winning team and bathing in the "success"...by supporting the very people who've crushed their lives into dust.

It doesn't get much more tragic than that.

Some of these red wall towns have been Labour since the 1930s , of course the Labour party are far from perfect but its still bewildering how people can trust a party who is the party of money , finance , the Establishment to help them after 40 years of the failed free market experiment , these people have been in charge for the last 11 years do people not think about this sort of thing or do they not really care

 

[edge]

Mahmood said something about reconnecting with former supporters and distancing the LP from WOKE attitudes. That's a caricature, and I wouldn;t mind betting that his resignation was prompted (or at the very least welcomed) by Starmer and his team to shift the blame to the left (as if the left in the party is all about "WOKE"ness).

I'm done with Labour. They'll be extinct very soon - and even quicker if they dont reconnect with that membership. The boots on the ground the left can put out there are essential to the LP in elections and the leadership have alienated them. That must have been a factor yesterday too.

Just a matter of time before the new partty of the left arrives.

One already here, I voted workers party uk for councillor.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Brexit is a massive issue no doubt. People would rather believe Tory lies that it's all been a great success rather than accept that it's been a disaster and that they were stupid to back it.

If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow Leave would win by an even bigger majority than it did the first time around.