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Unless you earn 50k a year. Then you're actually only taking home £30k
Like, I get the principal. Tax the rich more. I do get it.
But I really think we're gonna have to start redefining rich. I'm 24, nowehere near 50k and given the industry I'm in I'll be lucky to get to that any time soon. Have a mate who went into an apprenticeship and now earns that. He's worked hard and took a gamble which has paid off for him. He already pays 40%. He's managed to get his first house etc (rare for someone my age now) and he's taxed a bomb as it is, when it all adds up with council tax, national insurance etc.
All this money can't possibly come from the top 1%. They'll find ways around it and if the big companies can't do so then they'll simply not trade in the UK if it's not worth it for them. So, ultimately, it'd just be the 'middle ground' (not even middle class, because many people who are working class manage to earn good money) who end up fronting the cost.
Labour: Corbyn wins party backing in crunch Brexit vote
Members at the party's annual conference vote against a motion which would have called for Remain backing at an election.www.bbc.co.uk
So this is the most democratic party ever in the history of democratic stuff then?
Unbelievable that THIS has decided their policy on the most important issue this country faces.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, Roydo, but is the 'policy' just that there is no policy?
Said it all along, Corbyn wants out. He wants a deal (I firmly belive Johnson does if purely for ego reasons, btw) but he wants out and - like he has all along - has been unwilling to nail his post to either mast because of that.
It's no secret I voted leave but so did plenty of other Labour voters. Plenty also voted in. Regardless of what people voted in 2016 I think we can all agree Labour have spent three years trying to please everyone, yet actually pleasing nobody accept their hardcore support which, as each day passes by, becomes more cultish.
dannyboy
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Is it right we have children going to food banks? Is it right the NHS struggles to cope on a daily basis? They're the things I'd get angry about. Not worrying about someone who earns a large amount of money paying 52% tax on it. That person is still going to live a better life than the majority of the population.
Unless you earn 50k a year. Then you're actually only taking home £30k
Like, I get the principal. Tax the rich more. I do get it.
But I really think we're gonna have to start redefining rich. I'm 24, nowehere near 50k and given the industry I'm in I'll be lucky to get to that any time soon. Have a mate who went into an apprenticeship and now earns that. He's worked hard and took a gamble which has paid off for him. He already pays 40%. He's managed to get his first house etc (rare for someone my age now) and he's taxed a bomb as it is, when it all adds up with council tax, national insurance etc.
All this money can't possibly come from the top 1%. They'll find ways around it and if the big companies can't do so then they'll simply not trade in the UK if it's not worth it for them. So, ultimately, it'd just be the 'middle ground' (not even middle class, because many people who are working class manage to earn good money) who end up fronting the cost.
oh I totally get that, I’m in the 40% bracket and if Labour get their way it’ll hit me hard. I pay my mortgage, insurance, car, food etc etc and I don’t live with my bird so it’s all on me. I have enough left over to put in savings and spend a small bit on myself each month. But if I get taxed more I’ll naturally cut back on unnecessary expenditure which will then have an impact on business. Many will be the same
There’s an issue with poverty in this country, but that is not solved by giving people free stuff. You insensitive them, making work pay. Cheap childcare, flexible working, cheap transport. Otherwise they’ll happily stay unemployed collecting free stuff while the rest of us slog it out.
a good few years back I was seeing this bird, she had a kid and didn’t work. With her free housing, JSA, child tax credits, free council tax and prescriptions plus the the money off the kids dad she had more money than me at the end of the month. I was worse offby working, and at this point Ididnt have my own place and was living with the folks. It was bizarre.
therich of the rich will always find ways to avoid paying tax, they’d rather make charitable donations than trust the government and Corbyn will just push more people away
dannyboy
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Labour will be investing in all those things you mentioned and rightly so. I've worked in a school where the area had a fair amount of the people you described. The problem I think so many had was a lack of self belief or confidence they had the skills to hold down a job. A lot of them just weren't equipped to cope in a working environment. There are a lot of teachers doing great work in places like that but they need more help. I hope whoever wins the next election really tries to invest ideas/time/money in these forgotten areas because the culture does need changing.
dannyboy
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Do you not think it is right to try and bring the country together though? The two other main parties are proposing either a no deal Brexit or just ripping the whole thing up without a people's vote. Labour's approach is by far the most sensible.
My take on Corbyn's Brexit views is that he sees it as a huge inconvenience when there are so many other issues to be talking about. I think he'd leave with a good deal but also be comfortable with remaining.
They’ll create a massive welfare and nanny state
dannyboy
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Having a big welfare state is nothing to be ashamed of providing the money is used well like it is in the likes of Denmark. It beats 130,000 deaths linked to austerity, at least it does for me anyway.
sorry but that’s utter bollocks. He’s always been anti EU but don’t dare go against the small minority of activists who are propping him up. He’s stayed absolutely quiet for the best part of 2.5 years
the sooner he’s gone the better, we’ll have a proper opposition
dannyboy
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But it is a proper opposition? They won 40% of the vote at last election and have completely opposing policies to the Tories. It might not be an opposition you support but democracy isn't all about pleasing one individual like you.
It's not a small bunch of activists either. It's the biggest political party in Western Europe.
yes of course we refer back to Denmark or some other tiny country with a population the size of our capital. It’s an irrelevant comparison. And a welfare state does not empower people to make better of themselves. Why go to college, why goto university, why get a job..., the government will just give me free stuff
and on top of that if you get arrested for a small crime you won’t even get punished. Just let back into the population to carry on
pathetic
they won that much because people are territorial. We all know there’s seats that won’t even be contested. And everyone knows he won’t get close to 40% in a new election, he gets 20% and he can call himself lucky
and it’s the bullies in momentum which are propping him up. The bunch of Marxists
dannyboy
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At least you can be happy that spending on prisons is down because there's nobody in there?
The idea a decent welfare system turns us all into feckless layabouts sounds a bit Victorian to me. I just think it's good to have a decent safety net for those who fall on hard times. A minority abuse it but the majority don't. You know that most of the people who claim benefits are actually in work?
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