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[zzr45]

In South Korea it's more a case of a culture of flogging kids half to death. I think I read that South Korea has the world's highest child suicide rates.

Thats sort of the point. Those education systems are highly tailored to the cultures in which they serve. In S Korea the culture us that you flog yourself to death in the workplace. Not saying it’s wrong or right.

Education is this country has been in a malaise for years in terms of trying to copy and paste bits of culture from everywhere to effect change. There’s been millions wasted on management gurus, silver bullet ideas like learning styles and growth mindset. The culture of state schools needs sorting (which Gove tried to do - badly) to create a useful system.

 

[nsno-chris]

At least you can be happy that spending on prisons is down because there's nobody in there?

The idea a decent welfare system turns us all into feckless layabouts sounds a bit Victorian to me. I just think it's good to have a decent safety net for those who fall on hard times. A minority abuse it but the majority don't. You know that most of the people who claim benefits are actually in work?

Have no idea if the first part about prisons is a joke or not, if it isn’t then that is an absolute pathetic and embarrassing statement.

and I agree that a welfare system should be in place to support people who fall on hard times, those people are normally working people who have pride in working, like me. However, it’s exploited by those who don’t, and regardless of what you think there’s a large majority who are like that. They’ll utilise every loophole to ensure they don’t, all while the working parents, who happily work 2-3 jobs are making their contribution to society.

a welfare system needs to be strong on both sides, it’s needs to get people back in work and not provide them with a way not to

Haha I'm in Momentum and I'm definitely not a Marxist. Who have we been bullying?

Meh, we got told the Labour Party would become extinct at the last election, yet here we are....

there’s plenty of news around, I know a few councillors who have been subject to harassment and bullying to get them out, and that’s a grass roots level

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In South Korea it's more a case of a culture of flogging kids half to death. I think I read that South Korea has the world's highest child suicide rates.

Oh for sure, the Hagwon cramming schools there sound horrendous and I don't think anyone would advocate them as being good at all. The fact remains though that parents submit their children to them because education is seen as very important there in a way that it's simply not in working class communities here, where for too long an attitude has dominated whereby schooling was not only seen as pointless, but that engaging in it was a betrayal of one's working class roots. This was ok while there were plenty of jobs in mines, factories and so on that didn't require high skill levels, but as these jobs have dried up, we have a problem on our hands.

So you're not actually concerned about a deficit with Labour, like other posters seem to be? You're saying that you believe Labour can restore funding to the NHS, schools, the justice system, local councils and still lower the deficit?

But what, you'd rather have annual hospital crises, schools closing down on Fridays, a crime wave and collapsing prisons, and councils declaring bankruptcy, not because we can't afford to fix it, but because restoring corporate tax to 2010 levels and slightly raising taxes on income over £80k would be worse?

Personally, I'd love governments to live within their means, but over the past 30 years or so I think there have been around 3 years where the books have been balanced so I've learned not to wee into the wind. Even then, my understanding is that Labour would only achieve a balanced budget by accounting shenanigans, as they would do so on 'operational' expenditure, hence why the billions they would borrow for infrastructure investments wouldn't count in their calculations. Just as I've learned that governments are quite happy to quick the fiscal can down the road for future generations to deal with, I've also learned not to expect any Corbynite budget plans (or indeed Tory Brexit plans if you want balance) to make any kind of sense.

 

[dannyboy]

Thats sort of the point. Those education systems are highly tailored to the cultures in which they serve. In S Korea the culture us that you flog yourself to death in the workplace. Not saying it’s wrong or right.

Education is this country has been in a malaise for years in terms of trying to copy and paste bits of culture from everywhere to effect change. There’s been millions wasted on management gurus, silver bullet ideas like learning styles and growth mindset. The culture of state schools needs sorting (which Gove tried to do - badly) to create a useful system.

A lot of primary schools are trying to implement the idea of Singapore/Shanghai maths but the problem is that in those countries if a child doesn´t understand the work parents are told and they return the next day having grasped the concept. That´s very difficult to implement here. I don´t think we should be looking to replicate the Asian countries, the stress those children are put under is ridiculous.

 

[The binman chronicles]

But it is a proper opposition? They won 40% of the vote at last election and have completely opposing policies to the Tories. It might not be an opposition you support but democracy isn't all about pleasing one individual like you.

It's not a small bunch of activists either. It's the biggest political party in Western Europe.

Erm...very socialist ideas will do well in seats already held by Labour, it is policies that bridge the political spectrum that help win elections.

I don't know how many times this has to be said to Labour supporters but your echo chamber might be booming but outside it the tumbleweeds are rolling by. All the support, all the ideology will count for zip unless they are also seen as friends of business and appeal to those people too.

 

[dannyboy]

Erm...very socialist ideas will do well in seats already held by Labour, it is policies that bridge the political spectrum that help win elections.

I don't know how many times this has to be said to Labour supporters but your echo chamber might be booming but outside it the tumbleweeds are rolling by. All the support, all the ideology will count for zip unless they are also seen as friends of business and appeal to those people too.

A lot of the ideas from Labour poll very well though. It´s all about getting those ideas across when a General Election is called, think they did well at this last time. Miliband was really attacked by big business a lot during his time, curious that we´ve heard little of that under Corbyn. Luckily for Labour the idea of being economically incompetent is difficult to sell for the Tories when they´re advocating a no deal Brexit.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Erm...very socialist ideas will do well in seats already held by Labour, it is policies that bridge the political spectrum that help win elections.

I don't know how many times this has to be said to Labour supporters but your echo chamber might be booming but outside it the tumbleweeds are rolling by. All the support, all the ideology will count for zip unless they are also seen as friends of business and appeal to those people too.

Was talking to a mate about it last night, like me he's a Labour voter, he was saying that the Labour Party with Corbyn at the helm has gone all Waco at this party conference.

 

[Eggs]

...not sure why Labour say they will make a decision on which side to support in a referendum after the GE, would seem to make more sense to remain neutral and give its MPs a free vote.

 

[peteblue]

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Could be better...

7 years out of date.....

 

[peteblue]

Logically then if you insist all schooling is free then surely all college tuition should be too? I'd support removing tax relief to provide more bursaries with the cash saved and a return to grants for tertiary level education.

All education should be free, including university.....

 

[peteblue]

Rejecting backing remain on a show of hands. It'd be funny if it wasn't so utterly ridiculous

The hands were probably old and didn’t know what the vote was about......

 

[peteblue]

All on a show of hands. A show of bloody hands. I'm lost for words.

I’m surprised the commons speaker hasn’t picked up this trick, then he could announce any result he wanted.....

 

[The binman chronicles]

Was talking to a mate about it last night, like me he's a Labour voter, he was saying that the Labour Party with Corbyn at the helm has gone all Waco at this party conference.

Yes all a bit cult-ish. It is strange how most of us in here are Labour supporters but see things so differently. And by that I don't mean from ideology so much because I'm sure a lot of us would agree in a perfect world this or that might be good but there would be serious problems implementing it - just how the party are acting and reacting to events. I can't possibly see how it can be lauded.

 

[peteblue]

Labour: Corbyn wins party backing in crunch Brexit vote

Members at the party's annual conference vote against a motion which would have called for Remain backing at an election.

www.bbc.co.uk

So this is the most democratic party ever in the history of democratic stuff then?

Unbelievable that THIS has decided their policy on the most important issue this country faces.

BBC..... Stephen Kinnock, the MP for Aberavon, told a fringe meeting organised by the Social Market Foundation that Labour had had "more Brexit positions than the Karma Sutra".
Describing the first two days of conference as an "utter shambles", he said Labour should have stuck with its 2017 manifesto pledge to honour the referendum result and moving away from this this would not go down well in Leave constituencies.
"Our position on Brexit is being treated with ridicule on the doorsteps in my constituency,".......

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Yes all a bit cult-ish. It is strange how most of us in here are Labour supporters but see things so differently. And by that I don't mean from ideology so much because I'm sure a lot of us would agree in a perfect world this or that might be good but there would be serious problems implementing it - just how the party are acting and reacting to events. I can't see possibly see how it can be lauded.

The thing that's really annoying me mate is how some can't grasp that to win a GE you have too appeal to the many, and not the few.

All I'm hearing down the telly is a load of angry people ranting and coming across like the RS, the 'it's us against everyone else mentality'