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[NilSatisOptimum]

The Tories have left an open goal but Labour are playing it around the back four.

The fact now that at the next election, Labour will be offering a second referendum, they will also be giving everyone in the country a chance to vote remain. I believe that option may well be very attractive to a lot of remain voters. Unsettling for Swinson and her supporters. Trouble with Labour it's completely in the middle and managed to push the Tories and Libs polor opposite on Brexit, these two are now the extremists.

 

[Boss_Blue]

I know and that was a good point that you made that you have now found a political home, so it's not all going wrong for Labour. But for people that do not want this Tory government in office we have to hope there are more like you than the ones being turned off.

Yeah won't argue against that.

 

[dannyboy]

Found a nice original clip of the foundation of The NHS by Labour MP Bevan, and note the great foundation it stood for - however 70 years old, its still going lets hope it stays that way - note the words its not a "charity".... -
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Still the greatest achievement of any government post WW2.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

From an unnamed Labour MP

Also being rumoured that it's actually S** reporter who penned this, as there are many of cliche attack lines they use, scruffy laziness chaotic, hate hard work success...

 

[Billy Dean]

I wonder how business' will react to their profits taking a hit by reducing the working week, or is it that the premise will be, less hours, means more output from workers because they will be in a better state of mind.

There was a study done, I think in Sweden, showing that working shorter weeks didn't adversely affect productivity.

Found a nice original clip of the foundation of The NHS by Labour MP Bevan, and note the great foundation it stood for - however 70 years old, its still going lets hope it stays that way - note the words its not a "charity".... -
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You know the party you vote for wants to do away with the NHS right Joe?

 

[catcherintherye]

From an unnamed Labour MP

I'm not being horrible, but I would greatly enjoy sitting down with an MP why I am supposedly irresponsible, mediocre and lazy. They might want to reflect, that such attitudes towards their supporters may be why they were in a death spiral before Corbyn rocked up.

I'm not uncritical of Corbyn, but there doesn't seem to be much ability to debate him in an impartial and reasoned way (on both sides).

 

[Tubey]

I'm not being horrible, but I would greatly enjoy sitting down with an MP why I am supposedly irresponsible, mediocre and lazy. They might want to reflect, that such attitudes towards their supporters may be why they were in a death spiral before Corbyn rocked up.

I'm not uncritical of Corbyn, but there doesn't seem to be much ability to debate him in an impartial and reasoned way (on both sides).

They didn't say that. They haven't called you those things - they are talking about the ideology. They didn't say the party likes mediocre/lazy/irresponsible people.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

The fact now that at the next election, Labour will be offering a second referendum, they will also be giving everyone in the country a chance to vote remain. I believe that option may well be very attractive to a lot of remain voters. Unsettling for Swinson and her supporters. Trouble with Labour it's completely in the middle and managed to push the Tories and Libs polor opposite on Brexit, these two are now the extremists.

You'd think they're in for a well-deserved steamrollering, getting caught in the middle of two crystal clear messages like that - Blue, Brexit means brexit, yellow - Brexit is cancelled. The labour vote runs so deep, though, and the lib-dem's so fickle (a bucket to spit in), that it's unlikely to play out in such a polarised way.

 

[Brennan]

They didn't say that. They haven't called you those things - they are talking about the ideology. They didn't say the party likes mediocre/lazy/irresponsible people.

He was obviously too lazy to read the text.

 

[catcherintherye]

They didn't say that. They haven't called you those things - they are talking about the ideology. They didn't say the party likes mediocre/lazy/irresponsible people.

Who do you think they are addressing then?

Seems a really odd statement to me, and all I can think is that if that's the real belief of the MP they might be best resigning and standing for a party who might be pro-success anti-mediocrity enough for them.

A very odd quote. You can feel how hateful they are towards ordinary people. A look in the mirror probably wouldn't go amis.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Yes.

Okay so if their local state school was really bad and you could afford a private alternative would you put them first or your principles?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

same Lou, voted Labour since the day I could vote. But this is appeasing to a very few and will bury the party and will keep the tories in government for a long time

This. At a time when Labour should have been standing out as a modern, unified left of centre party promoting sensible pragmatic ideas you have Len McCluskey banging on about blindly supporting comrade Corbyn. It's a cult now ffs!

 

[Charlie Sweet]

The most annoying thing is how the whole environmental agenda has escaped the Tories an Lib Dems and could have afforded Labour an easy win to be socially and environmentally responsible.

I believe the UK would readily accept (reasonable) higher taxation to promote a green programme that could work brilliantly with labour's core vote. Stuff like cutting public transport costs and really incentivising cleaner fuels. All would play out well on the street if further targeted towards lower incomes.

 

[BlueToff]

Of all the problems in the country, is abolishing private schools really one of the main issues?

Like, if somebody has earned (a concept people who are firmly entrenched in what is quickly become a more-and-more socialist outlook by the day it seems don't seem to get here) the money to send their kids to a private school (I ain't talking public schools, like Eaton etc) then they have the right to do that.

I didn't go to a private school. My mum and dad could have sent me when I was 6-7 but they didn't and I wouldn't have wanted to go. Four years later when I was about to start high school our financial situation had changed and they couldn't afford it anyway.

But if somebody wants to send their kids, and the kids want to go, then I don't see a problem. I agree with the charitable status thing, but abolishing the private school system just seems really weird.

I don't know all of the facts about the policy so the above is just what I've gathered from posts I've seen of people who support it and those that don't.

 

[BlueToff]

Also being rumoured that it's actually S** reporter who penned this, as there are many of cliche attack lines they use, scruffy laziness chaotic, hate hard work success...

Well when there's talk of policies about a 32-hour working week I think it's fair people start to question where the money's gonna come from.

Especially since I'm pretty sure a policy from a few weeks back which got leaked (IIRC) was a high tax rate of 52%.

Fifty-two per cent.

I'm sorry, I don't care how much you earn. No government should have the right to take more than half of it. It's not right.