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[Steve0]

Why do compare yourself and the British state with a random man or woman who happens to be Jewish and the state of Israel? As i said before, every single Jewish person I know is English/British, have never visted Israel and have as much connection to it as you or I do. They would condemn the BRITISH state when they think it's done wrong because they're BRITISH.

Its nonsense to say they should speak out, its like asking every Muslim to speak out againt the state of Saudi Arabia or every Christan to speak out againt whatever hell hole country with terrible human rights you want to name that also practices Christianity.

A jewish person has a much connection to a Jewish state that was set up for Jews and has a right to return for any Jew as a lowly goyim like me?

Sorry but that isn't true.

 

[davids]

Neither, they couldn't care less what a bunch of random British citizens think about them.

True,they don't care what anybody thinks!

 

[orchard]

Would you ask a muslim family to have a word with mohammed bin salman about his naughtiness?

You'd possibly express concerns about the Vatican with one's priest.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

A jewish person has a much connection to a Jewish state that was set up for Jews and has a right to return for any Jew as a lowly goyim like me?

Sorry but that isn't true.

So once again you make it clear. British citizen or not, they're not one of us. They're different and have certain obligations.

Do you have any friend's or even acquaintances who happen to be Jewish? (silly question at this point really). Because believe it or not yes, all the ones I know have as much connection to Israel as I do. That is to say zero connection.

 

[catcherintherye]

Why? I was born a Christian in England. In Africa there are Christians who are currently waging war against others. Would the stop because I’m the same religion (notionally) as them.

People are going a long way to defend a scumbag.

You are correct.

A big problem for sections of the left is that they do not seem to understand the difference between Jewish and Zionist and use both phrases interchangeably.

There is of course overlaps, but there are different.

The assumption that all Jewish people are zionist is racist. The way Zionism is phrased, in a conspiratorial way as opposed to a particularly orthodox interpretation of Jewish scripture is also anti-semitic.

Opposing the principle of religious states is not. This is something that does not need any Jewish person to have to prove their loyalty on.

 

[Steve0]

So once again you make it clear. British citizen or not, they're not one of us. They're different and have certain obligations.

Do you have any friend's or even acquaintances who happen to be Jewish? (silly question at this point really). Because believe it or not yes, all the ones I know have as much connection to Israel as I do. That is to say zero connection.

My girlfriend is Jewish Not even making that up.

It's not zero connection when it's a jewish state though. it's possibly minimal but there's a connection there. Not sure why you'd deny that basic fact. Well that's not true, you're denying it because it would undermine your original point but meh.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

My girlfriend is Jewish Not even making that up.

It's not zero connection when it's a jewish state though. it's possibly minimal but there's a connection there. Not sure why you'd deny that basic fact. Well that's not true, you're denying it because it would undermine your original point but meh.

They have as much connection to the state of Israel as I do to any of the the horrific Christan countries in the world. I don't know why it's so difficult for some to understand.

Why is a British Jew condemning the state of Israel so Important to you anyway? Surely if the issue is that important in your mind you must want ALL British citizens to publicly condemn it? Otherwise you'd be singling somebody out purely based on their religion alone and having certain expectations of them to prove themselves in a way that you don't expect from others......

 

[larrygobfiend]

They have as much connection to the state of Israel as I do to any of the the horrific Christan countries in the world. I don't know why it's so difficult for some to understand.

Why is a British Jew condemning the state of Israel so Important to you anyway? Surely if the issue is that important in your mind you must want ALL British citizens to publicly condemn it? Otherwise you'd be singling somebody out purely based on their religion alone and having certain expectations of them to prove themselves in a way that you don't expect from others......

We should, but then we'd all be called anti Semitic like Corbyn. That's how twisted it's got.

 

[tsubaki]

Glad some are prepared to take a stance.
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If you can’t tell the difference between those people expressing their confidence in Corbyn and what you’ve been arguing here then there isn’t much more I can say.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

People who regard themselves as British Jews do critique the actions of the current Israel government, but they are just left wing Corbyn supporting nut jobs, therefore have little coverage because it's does fit the general narrative of bashing social democracy movement.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

We should, but then we'd all be called anti Semitic like Corbyn. That's how twisted it's got.

Based on this thread alone it's clear that a lot of people either don't want to or simply aren't capable of differentiating between being anti-Israel and being anti-Semitic.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Based on this thread alone it's clear that a lot of people either don't want to or simply aren't capable of differentiating between being anti-Israel and being anti-Semitic.

Please can you tell the British media?

 

[Steve0]

They have as much connection to the state of Israel as I do to any of the the horrific Christan countries in the world. I don't know why it's so difficult for some to understand.

Why is a British Jew condemning the state of Israel so Important to you anyway? Surely if the issue is that important in your mind you must want ALL British citizens to publicly condemn it? Otherwise you'd be singling somebody out purely based on their religion alone and having certain expectations of them to prove themselves in a way that you don't expect from others......

I dont really judge them for not speaking out but when they try to smear anyone who does as anti semitic then we begin to have a problem. Which you might be able to see?

Either they have a dog in that fight or they don't. Completely disinterested? Then keep schtum when people highlight Israeli atrocities.

 

[roydo]

In GOT world, Hatton has been banned for being High Maintenance. A 30 year ban, allowed to post, and within hours, posts stuff guaranteed to get right up the LP Mod's noses.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I dont really judge them for not speaking out but when they try to smear anyone who does as anti semitic then we begin to have a problem. Which you might be able to see?

For starters, who are "they"?

Who tries to smear you and others? The media or Joe Blogs at the local synagogue? because you were quite clear before that Joe Blogs at least had a connection to Israel regardless of whether he likes it or not. If your issue is with the media and certain individuals in positions of power then fine but make that clear instead of doing precisely what you have accused "they" of doing, smearing people.

Either they have a dog in that fight or they don't. Completely disinterested? Then keep schtum when people highlight Israeli atrocities.

Boss message that "either agree with me, shut up, or you're complacent with the crimes of the state of Israel! Totally your choice!" I'll be sure to pass onto my friends that Steve on GOT wants them to either forcefully state their opinions one way or the other or just shut up alltoghter.

Thankfully we live in a free country were we can all give our opinions even on any issue that we don't feel strongly about and we aren't obliged to "keep schtum" for anyone.