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[TopBalconyView]

Yep, that's his mate Joseph. Even Roger says so.

The Who's Roger Daltrey says Jeremy Corbyn isn't a socialist. 'He’s a communist'

‘Be honest about that and see how many votes you get, Jeremy, because otherwise, you’re going to be moving in to Downing Street under a false premise’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[magicjuan]

Well stopping the anti semitism should have happened long ago which seems to be deep rooted in the party which would have stopped some, obviously not Chucky as he has been agitating for this for ages.

Most are on record as acknowledging the work done so far, but it should be tackled obviously. The recent no confidence votes, since withdrawn, were on poor performance in supporting labour policy and basically undermining the party consistently, since upheld ny the gen sec, yet Berger instantly and constantly made the issue about anti semitism and again today, on the news she was introduced as 'jewish MP', no one else was introduced as christian or catholic or moonie mp, so it's always in the domain.NLP.
Anti semitism is associated with labour and Corbyn through media repetition, because there are far more registered anti semitic complaints registered with the tories but never ever mentioned in the media.
Umununa would be happy leading a party of 1 if it keeps him on the telly.

 

[The binman chronicles]

....it is similar to the Militant uprising, but there is no real way of turning this around because Party governance means the Momentum left are proping the Corbynisters up. There have always been left wing activists, but they are now using the Labour Party to facilitate their politics.

It's all a bit history repeating itself. Perhaps it is a phase the party needs to go through to know what works and what doesn't. All I know is if Miliband had stayed on/or the 2017 was the first GE he fought the probably Labour wins it. As Corbyn did better than expected and the grassroots are motivated (why wouldn't they??) It was seen as being on the right path.

I just don't understand it really, a more moderate Labour party may not yield massive social change, but it should at least protect the population that are truly in need. Or you can have a 'pure' party that is sat watching while the Tory cuts deeper.

Corbyn may still be PM yet but I would see that as a result of a catastrophic failure with the Brexit process rather than Labour winning the hearts and minds of the voters.

 

[tsubaki]

Yep, that his mate Joseph. Even Roger says so.

The Who's Roger Daltrey says Jeremy Corbyn isn't a socialist. 'He’s a communist'

‘Be honest about that and see how many votes you get, Jeremy, because otherwise, you’re going to be moving in to Downing Street under a false premise’

www.independent.co.uk

A shame that he doesn't understand what communism is either, then.

 

[catcherintherye]

As usual you put forward a reasoned argument....the only thing is that if these 7 people who were elected on a Labour party ticket now leave the party, shouldn't they have the common decency to stand for their "independent beliefs" (whatever they are) in a by election, instead of staying as mps in the commons under the banner of a party they supposedly despise? Bit hypocritical imo

There is obviously no legal reason for them to stand again. However yes, I think the credible thing to do is put your ideas to the test. It is an enormous stand to take, that you view your current employer is so wrong, and you are so correct that you have to leave. If you feel that confident, that Labour are so wrong, why not put the ideas to the test?

Lets put it this way, if I felt my boss was so wrong, that I'd risk damaging the organisation as much as they have then I'd willingly say if I was wrong I'd resign. I suppose it's about your personal pride and perspective though.

 

[catcherintherye]

....it is similar to the Militant uprising, but there is no real way of turning this around because Party governance means the Momentum left are proping the Corbynisters up. There have always been left wing activists, but they are now using the Labour Party to facilitate their politics.

The thing is though mate, the Militant were much harder than Corbyn et al. One were an openly Trotskyist group, Corbyn is a centre left hippy (who does have radical views on foreign policy but certainly not domestically).

His ideas are also very popular amongst ordinary people. People do not want more austerity, more privatisation, more inequality, more poverty, more wage cuts etc. However useless Corbyn is as a leader, his ideas are very popular. This seems to be missed by most of his opponents, who have no answer how this guy got one of the best electoral results in 50 years for Labour.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

A shame that he doesn't understand what communism is either, then.

Thatcher’s greatest achievement:
'Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds'."
Not only that New labour shifted the perception of what is considered to be centrist politics and as such you get all these crackers accusations that Corbyn is a ‘Trot’ (still not sure what this means) or a Marxist. He was considered ‘soft left’ by militant in the 80s.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The thing is though mate, the Militant were much harder than Corbyn et al. One were an openly Trotskyist group, Corbyn is a centre left hippy (who does have radical views on foreign policy but certainly not domestically).

His ideas are also very popular amongst ordinary people. People do not want more austerity, more privatisation, more inequality, more poverty, more wage cuts etc. However useless Corbyn is as a leader, his ideas are very popular. This seems to be missed by most of his opponents, who have no answer how this guy got one of the best electoral results in 50 years for Labour.

That’s why one reason he got a huge bump in popularity after May called that snap election. He was given a platform to talk without spin

 

[catcherintherye]

And the Jewish people have been persecuted for thousands of years and are still, to this day, subject to disgusting levels of abuse

Waiting for someone to say the holocaust didn’t happen, maybe Jezza will step up to the plate

It is possible to believe Jewish people have been persecuted for millennia (and continue to be) the Isreali state oppress the Palestinian people and the Holocaust is the greatest crime in the history of humanity. It's quite a logical position to take if you detest oppression, and one which many Jewish people I know take.

 

[peteblue]

As usual you put forward a reasoned argument....the only thing is that if these 7 people who were elected on a Labour party ticket now leave the party, shouldn't they have the common decency to stand for their "independent beliefs" (whatever they are) in a by election, instead of staying as mps in the commons under the banner of a party they supposedly despise? Bit hypocritical imo

No they don’t need to have a by-election, although they do demand another referendum, strange that.......

 

[catcherintherye]

Patronising fool. Maybe you should go and ask comrad Corbyn.

I'm not sure Corbyn has ever read a single book by Marx mate. He's not a communist, I am not sure he'd even know no intellect.

 

[catcherintherye]

No they don’t need to have a by-election, although they do demand another referendum, strange that.......

Thats what this pincer movement is about. It is about trying to overcome Brexit. I think people will see through it myself, but you never know.

 

[davek]

Chuka is gone

Party time

Party time when the rest of the Blairite neo-cons are punted.

 

[Eggs]

The thing is though mate, the Militant were much harder than Corbyn et al. One were an openly Trotskyist group, Corbyn is a centre left hippy (who does have radical views on foreign policy but certainly not domestically).

His ideas are also very popular amongst ordinary people. People do not want more austerity, more privatisation, more inequality, more poverty, more wage cuts etc. However useless Corbyn is as a leader, his ideas are very popular. This seems to be missed by most of his opponents, who have no answer how this guy got one of the best electoral results in 50 years for Labour.

....for me, it’s not so much policy as decency and values. Labour Party is a place where elected officials are harassed and vilified. There is absolutely no place for that and decent folk won’t support it. It’s such a shame hooligans are using the Party to facilitate their political agenda.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Thatcher’s greatest achievement:
'Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds'."
Not only that New labour shifted the perception of what is considered to be centrist politics and as such you get all these crackers accusations that Corbyn is a ‘Trot’ (still not sure what this means) or a Marxist. He was considered ‘soft left’ by militant in the 80s.

You should read why new Labour was created. Check how many terms Labour governments have actually served, most have involved early elections and general disarray.

Until 97 Labour were a footnote, even then the 13 years and 3 election wins (the best ever for Labour) will almost be matched by the worst Tory shambles ever, seeing the next election will be in 2022.