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[dannyboy]

You should read why new Labour was created. Check how many terms Labour governments have actually served, most have involved early elections and general disarray.

Until 97 Labour were a footnote, even then the 13 years and 3 election wins (the best ever for Labour) will almost be matched by the worst Tory shambles ever, seeing the next election will be in 2022.

Do you think Chuka and Chris Leslie have the policies to make this country better? Do you think they even have any policies at all?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

You should read why new Labour was created. Check how many terms Labour governments have actually served, most have involved early elections and general disarray.

Until 97 Labour were a footnote, even then the 13 years and 3 election wins (the best ever for Labour) will almost be matched by the worst Tory shambles ever, seeing the next election will be in 2022.

Meh. Labour would have won the 97 election regardless in my opinion. Tories were imploding then made a series of crazy appointments in opposition. They were unelectable dinosaurs.
You shouldn’t need to betray your principles in order to get in power. Which I personally think they did

 

[davek]

If nothing else has been made plain today it's that the long overdue reckoning with the PLP is now a necessity. Those of us arguing for deselection of any MP who votes with the Tories or who openly states that they dont want a LP election win have been vindicated. There is no co-existence or broad church with people who want a zero sum game with them winning everything. Corbyn's easiest fight was winning the leadership election x2. Now comes the real battle, and it'll take the whole of the labour movement - the membership and trade unions and co-operative societies - to steel themselves to finally get the rest of the neo-cons out of the party they infiltrated 30 years ago. Today was a good start. 7 down and about 30-50 MPs to go.

 

[The binman chronicles]

This seems to be missed by most of his opponents, who have no answer how this guy got one of the best electoral results in 50 years for Labour.

I think you are looking too much into that result. Two big parties of recent times saw their votes fall apart (UKIP and Lib Dems) so Labour were always going to get a boost from those that chose to go to with them. Add to that Corbyn's shift got more people in the heartlands to vote and a lot of young people across the country. A loss is still a loss though and it was against a PM that decided to go AWOL during the campaign.

 

[dannyboy]

If nothing else has been made plain today it's that the long overdue reckoning with the PLP is now a necessity. Those of us arguing for deselection of any MP who votes with the Tories or who openly states that they dont want a LP election win have been vindicated. There is no co-existence or broad church with people who want a zero sum game with them winning everything. Corbyn's easiest fight was winning the leadership election x2. Now comes the real battle, and it'll take the whole of the labour movement - the membership and trade unions and co-operative societies - to steel themselves to finally get the rest of the neo-cons out of the party they infiltrated 30 years ago. Today was a good start. 7 down and about 30-50 MPs to go.

No longer using our movement as a vehicle for their own careers. The absolute best this lot can hope for from all this is ensuring more Tory election wins. Not exactly something you want on your epitaph.

 

[jackyboy]

People thinking what Corbyn is offering is communism need to read a book.

 

[Agent Blue]

Made up the magnificent seven have left it's the best thing that could have happened to Labour, hope now they can crack on without all the crap being thrown about by Umunna et al. It's a bit like us getting rid of Schneiderfraud, Bolasie, Mirallas, Williams, Jagielka, Stekkers and Sandro all in one go.
Party time.

 

[summerisle]

Yep, that's his mate Joseph. Even Roger says so.

The Who's Roger Daltrey says Jeremy Corbyn isn't a socialist. 'He’s a communist'

‘Be honest about that and see how many votes you get, Jeremy, because otherwise, you’re going to be moving in to Downing Street under a false premise’

www.independent.co.uk

Is that the Roger Daltrey who was on the sex offenders' list for accessing child pornography ? I don't think I'll bother listening to his ramblings.

 

[Aberblue]

I think you are looking too much into that result. Two big parties of recent times saw their votes fall apart (UKIP and Lib Dems) so Labour were always going to get a boost from those that chose to go to with them. Add to that Corbyn's shift got more people in the heartlands to vote and a lot of young people across the country. A loss is still a loss though and it was against a PM that decided to go AWOL during the campaign.

There's a lot in that, apart from the fact that the Tories would have done much better if May had been AWOL during the campaign.

 

[tsubaki]

You should read why new Labour was created. Check how many terms Labour governments have actually served, most have involved early elections and general disarray.

Until 97 Labour were a footnote, even then the 13 years and 3 election wins (the best ever for Labour) will almost be matched by the worst Tory shambles ever, seeing the next election will be in 2022.

That is the thing - people absolutely should look at why, or more importantly how, New Labour was created.

Blair identified that the old ways of left politics did not work, got himself elected as leader (with a bit of luck) and proceeded to develop his identity and his ideas within the party. He won arguments within the party, built strength locally (London is still stuffed with Progress-affiliated CLPs) and got the membership and the PLP to agree with him most of the time - even Corbyn, in the Parliament of 1997-2001, only rebelled 8.7% of the time (the least amount of any of Blair or Brown's terms). He built a position that was unrivalled in the party and, in 1997, the country as well. He could have done anything with it, improved the lives of millions and restored the damage that Thatcher had done to society and the country.

What he did not do is flounce off with the SDP in 1983; he understood that it is not possible to build a viable third party in a two party system.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Is that the Roger Daltrey who was on the sex offenders' list for accessing child pornography ? I don't think I'll bother listening to his ramblings.

Think that was Pete Townshend, whose excuse was he was trying to expose British banks or something. Either way, overrated band

 

[The binman chronicles]

Do you think Chuka and Chris Leslie have the policies to make this country better? Do you think they even have any policies at all?

Whether they did or did not doesn't matter if the party leader has no interest in listening to them.

Meh. Labour would have won the 97 election regardless in my opinion. Tories were imploding then made a series of crazy appointments in opposition. They were unelectable dinosaurs.
You shouldn’t need to betray your principles in order to get in power. Which I personally think they did

They may well have but no guarantees and they certainly wouldn't have served so many terms. The left/centre were tearing themselves apart during that run that stopped them accomplishing what they could have. This appears to dog labour that they can't keep the party unified.

As for selling out their principles, Labour were seen as an unstable hand on the purse strings. They had to change to ensure they were seen differently, to do that you can't commit to polices that sends spending into the stratosphere. If Corbyn gets in it will be interesting to see how Labour can commit to their policies without that happening.

 

[summerisle]

Think that was Pete Townshend, whose excuse was he was trying to expose British banks or something. Either way, overrated band

My mistake, supported him though.

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[nsno-chris]

What sort of absolute nonsense is that? Are you baiting? Trying to draw out anti semitism or claim it where there is none? That's a despicable aporoach to the subject and disrespectful to anyone that has posted in this thread. There has been no anti semitic comments so don't goad them. Warped.

What are you going on about. I’ve highlighted my beliefs on Corbyns antisemitic views and have received nothing but apologetic responses; either their not real or it’s media spun. That does not indicate that I’m calling anyone here antisemetic so you can get off your high horse.

But I’m glad yet another Labour MP has come out today and highlighted the cult that exists within the Labour Party along with their perception that antisemitism exists in the top branch of the party.

Anyway, NEA anymore the Labour Party will never be back on power with this leader and shadow cabinet

 

[magicjuan]

What are you going on about. I’ve highlighted my beliefs on Corbyns antisemitic views and have received nothing but apologetic responses; either their not real or it’s media spun. That does not indicate that I’m calling anyone here antisemetic so you can get off your high horse.

But I’m glad yet another Labour MP has come out today and highlighted the cult that exists within the Labour Party along with their perception that antisemitism exists in the top branch of the party.

Anyway, NEA anymore the Labour Party will never be back on power with this leader and shadow cabinet

Perception.