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[Harryflashman]

Yes new momentum let wing students......want remain ... but the votes gone.....

I know the votes gone if I didn’t I’d pick up on you repeating it and 17.4m on aDaily basis I was just replying to your post about labour voters and Brexit . I’m not a member of the Labour Party but I’m relatively confidence 80% aren’t momentum left wing students , I could be wrong mind .

 

[Eggs]

...bullying, harassment, threats of violence, surgery windows smashed. Can’t blame MPs for not wanting to put up with that from within their own party. Very sad when traditional Labour voters like me want this dreadful government kicked out.

 

[Joey66]

I know the votes gone if I didn’t I’d pick up on you repeating it and 17.4m on aDaily basis I was just replying to your post about labour voters and Brexit . I’m not a member of the Labour Party but I’m relatively confidence 80% aren’t momentum left wing students , I could be wrong mind .

You surprise me to admit the vote has been made .... even the defectors today are remainers in the Labour party - so mathematically nothing will change in the HOC......I could be wrong mind......
Labour stood on a manifesto of leaving the single market.......

 

[tsubaki]

...bullying, harassment, threats of violence, surgery windows smashed. Can’t blame MPs for not wanting to put up with that from within their own party. Very sad when traditional Labour voters like me want this dreadful government kicked out.

I agree with this, but I really wish people would extend it to all MPs not just the ones they agree with. My MP (Kate Hoey) gets dogs abuse on twitter from the #FBPE crowd, she has faced (and lost) a no confidence vote and the local CLP wants her to lose the Labour whip. This is after at least two attempts to deselect her previously (in 2017 and 2008 or so).

Somehow this is never mentioned when the bullying of Labour MPs comes up.

 

[magicjuan]

...bullying, harassment, threats of violence, surgery windows smashed. Can’t blame MPs for not wanting to put up with that from within their own party. Very sad when traditional Labour voters like me want this dreadful government kicked out.

Windows smashed? You referring to one of the Eagle sisters that was completely dismissed? Or are there more?

 

[Harryflashman]

You surprise me to admit the vote has been made .... even the defectors today are remainers in the Labour party - so mathematically nothing will change in the HOC......I could be wrong mind......
Labour stood on a manifesto of leaving the single market.......

I surprise you by accepting the result ? It shouldn’t , most of these are in reply to you

Little Englanders ? My guess all of them .

On a serious point firstly I’ll begin by saying again this thread drags me in despite me not wanting to post and secondly leave won the referendum, just for clarity I Thought I’d let you know I’m both aware and accept the result .

On the point of funding to the Merseyside region I think surely anybody would find it hard to argue that successive governments , particularly Tory governments would have funded the regeneration of my City . All evidence in their history suggests that simply wouldn’t have happened, so from a local point of view many scousers can accept both that we’ve done very well from said funding and that once the funding is reallocated to central government that we’ll be unlikely to be top of Whitehall’s list .

That’s not me insulting you or claiming you’re old Or a racist or stupid or whatever perceived slight you’ll read into that I’m not suggesting any of that . It’s just that this area did well from EU funding and whatever your Brexit view that seems a reasonable point surely ?

How is telling you your wrong about something superior ? To clarify I’m superior to absolutely nobody , other than the RS obviously.

I disagree with you completely on Brexit and I certainly hope that it’s watered down as that would suit me as I’ve made clear , I honestly don’t know where it’ll end because the whole thing just seems chaotic . Again to clarify I accept the result but the softer the better is bound to suit me .

I’m wrong ? How am I wrong , I’m not banging any drum I’ve said I accept the decision repeatedly.

To be honest mate I don’t understand the context of your post , I’m Not having a go I don’t really understand what you mean other than you were wrong in your figures , third time this week is some doing like .

Edit. I’ve read it again and I think you’re saying I’m wrong in banging the drum to remain , in a reply to me saying your wrong in what I think is a “I know what I am but what are you ? “ type way . I said you were wrong because you read turn out and vote incorrectly and you confused labours leave and remain vote . Let’s be fair if you quote those figures and are that wrong somebody is going to pull you up over it .

To clarify I’m not banging a drum and I accept the result , I voted remain and I think leaving is wrong but I’m entitled to surely ?

It’s not even just the lies for me it’s that people explain it or aren’t even concerned like the RS do with their players . It’s not something I’m comfortable with but perhaps that’s just my personality.

I’ve said plenty of times I accept democracy and the result but like with trump those who trumpet sovereignty don’t seem remotely concerned about the possible links of a foreign nation to the result . It’s as if they think it’s undermines them so that’s more important ,if you compare the EU to nazi Germany surely you’d be shouting from the rooftops if there was even a chance that an actual totalitarian regime had tried to influence the vote ?

I hasten to add I don’t know all the facts but it all feels very murky.

It doesn’t help though does it when Boris talks about ‘taking control’ of the £350m only last month and let’s be candid he knows exactly what he’s doing . I’m not suggesting leave voters are stupid at all but that’s a comment meant to reasonate with those that wrongly focused on the £350m figure .

I completely accept that the referendum was democracy in action , I may disagree with the result but if you believe in democracy you have to accept the result and I’ll also accept absolutely that both sides lied during the campaign . My point is that when a prominent leaver like Boris throws the £350m figure into conversation it has a purpose .

I’d hope , in fact I’m sure , we can agree that a least a fair number of people focused on the £350m figure . I’m not suggesting it was instrumental and regardless that’s irrelevant. My point is that knowing how it resonated and how controversial it was the fact that the foreign secretary mentioned ‘taking control’ was a statement that was less than helpful.

I think overall your points are fair , obviously though many those of us who wanted to remain feel the evidence points towards serious financial concerns and feel we’re entitled to raise those concerns whilst we believe many leavers feel prepared to ignore all evidence to this effect .

 

[Eggs]

Windows smashed? You referring to one of the Eagle sisters that was completely dismissed? Or are there more?

....Wallasey, yes that’s the one I recalled.

 

[nsno-chris]

Any pictures of Blair or May with any of the Saudi Royal family knocking about?

Do you see anyone defending those 2, nope.
Oh it’s ok that Jezza hates the Jews because other people sit with bad people

Poor argument mate

 

[nsno-chris]

You should perhaps ask yourself how it is that incidents that apparently demonstrate his anti-semitism occured at a time when Labour was apparently not a party with an anti-semitism problem.

Theose are his issues, not the party’s

 

[nsno-chris]

Just to point out, based on Tubey's link Salah hadn't said that Jewish people were responsible for 9/11 nor had he been tried (much less convicted) for the blood libel comment by the time of that meeting (that meeting being in June 2011, the 9/11 comments were from October 2013 and the trial over the blood libel was in 2013, though he said it in 2007).

I redact my “responsible” comment has I know he didn’t say that exactly. But stating something along the lines of “no Jews where in the office at the time” is almost an expression of “they knew it was coming”

Still, what a lovely bloke

 

[tsubaki]

Theose are his issues, not the party’s

He was in the party whilst all that happened, and in the case of Salah he would have gone to that meeting with two other Labour MPs.

 

[nsno-chris]

Reported as having said, it was claimed, etc etc...

I know nothing about him other than the very contradictory evidence on what he did and didn't say on those issues...what I do know is that the Israeli state are an apartheid state and commit crimes against humanity every minute of the day against Palestinians.

And the Jewish people have been persecuted for thousands of years and are still, to this day, subject to disgusting levels of abuse

Waiting for someone to say the holocaust didn’t happen, maybe Jezza will step up to the plate

 

[tsubaki]

I redact my “responsible” comment has I know he didn’t say that exactly. But stating something along the lines of “no Jews where in the office at the time” is almost an expression of “they knew it was coming”

Still, what a lovely bloke

... and that was said months after Corbyn met him

 

[nsno-chris]

He was in the party whilst all that happened, and in the case of Salah he would have gone to that meeting with two other Labour MPs.

The excuses being made are unreal