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Harryflashman said:
Again Pete 73% of farmers are unaffected, again I’ll say I could potentially be persuaded that farming should be treated as a special case . However an endless parade of spokespeople , I mean everyone I’ve heard challenged or googled it myself , are worth in excess of £5m often significantly more .

If this is a real problem it’d be lovely to hear from someone who wasn’t extremely rich , be that only in assets but it’s difficult not to assume that those most nervous about this are worth in excess of £5m and as I’ve said it’s difficult to raise much sympathy .

Look at the figures below , not to mention the first 3 won’t be impacted . It’s a vocal minority trying to spin this like a Zimbabwean style land grab .

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once again I’ll reiterate if the only concern for these people is their farms and our nation , why don’t They sign it over to their children immediately?
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I would suggest that any ‘farm’ with a value up to £250k isn’t really a farm at all and even the £250-£500k is suspect. A number of my friends have a couple of acres of land with chickens/cockerels or a herd of 6-8 animals and they are not ‘farmers’ in any way shape or form, their land just came with the houses they bought. Whereas our village is surrounded by actual farms with full time farmers and workers, they will all have 100 acres or more with livestock, planted fields etc, and I would expect every one of them would have a value of £5Million or more. But these people are not rich, they are not paupers either, but they work 12 hour days. I cannot imagine a single person in our area complaining that it’s unfair that the farmers were protected from inheritance tax while they weren’t because they understand (unlike the London lot) that farms need protecting.

Anyway, I’ve said my piece, I think it is a badly thought out, short sighted and stupid legislation aimed at the wrong people………
 
peteblue said:
Farmers are not close to poverty, nor in the main are they Uber-rich. The value of a farm consists of a house, a myriad of outbuildings and sheds, state of the art farm equipment to cover all of the necessary tasks, and land. None of this is cheap. But what farms, not investment land owners, bring to the U.K. is security of food availability. Milliband is busily undermining our energy security, the last thing we need is the degradation of our farms every time there is an inheritance tax bill which the government will inevitably waste…..
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I mean, I know it was only a few years back pepe, but had you really forgotten? Really? Own it, take responsibility. Be the fine magnate of industry, broad shouldered, stiff upper lip, and face your error.
 
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peteblue said:
I would suggest that any ‘farm’ with a value up to £250k isn’t really a farm at all and even the £250-£500k is suspect. A number of my friends have a couple of acres of land with chickens/cockerels or a herd of 6-8 animals and they are not ‘farmers’ in any way shape or form, their land just came with the houses they bought. Whereas our village is surrounded by actual farms with full time farmers and workers, they will all have 100 acres or more with livestock, planted fields etc, and I would expect every one of them would have a value of £5Million or more. But these people are not rich, they are not paupers either, but they work 12 hour days. I cannot imagine a single person in our area complaining that it’s unfair that the farmers were protected from inheritance tax while they weren’t because they understand (unlike the London lot) that farms need protecting.

Anyway, I’ve said my piece, I think it is a badly thought out, short sighted and stupid legislation aimed at the wrong people………
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You’re right that hobby farms aren’t real farms but they’re not part of the conversation.

Why does it matter many hours they work? Lots of people work long hours. A failing business is a failing business. If you can’t make a 100 acre farm, that you inherited, a profitable business or at least self sustaining enough to pay its bills should it be propped up by other tax payers?

Did these farmers lose any subsidies or easy access to any markets that might have contributed to these businesses struggling?
 
StDomingosGringo said:
Why does it matter many hours they work? Lots of people work long hours.
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This is something I've notices a few times, certainly in the election run up over removing the VAT exemption on private schools, and now over removing the farming tax break. I'm sure it must have come up elsewhere. People seem to think defending access to these special handouts on the basis they "Work hard, work long hours" is going to be convincing anyone. It's actually pretty insulting, because the implication is of course that the rest of us (who aren't clamouring for special treatment with our tax affairs) must not be working as hard as them.

I've known teachers, nurses and care workers etc, some of them single parents, who work social-life destroying hours and rely on family for childminding duties. As far as I know none of them have ever gone whinging in public about not getting government handouts like the 'aspirational' parents wanting taxpayer help to give their child special privileges over others, or the farmers looking to squirrel millions away from helping the rest of us.

Of course the self-same whingers do still criticise some of the above for finally receiving "inflation-busting" payrises that do nothing more than reverse a decade of real-term wage cuts in the face of that inflation.

Shameful stuff, it really is. The average Telegraph reader complaining about Starmer being the most Socialist PM in living memory whilst also complaining their special government handouts have been taken away. Perhaps the farme owners, prospective private school parents and Telegraph columnists need to take a few lessons in self-reliance from some other sections of society, and stop being so reliant on scraps from the government table for once.
 
Xizor said:
This is something I've notices a few times, certainly in the election run up over removing the VAT exemption on private schools, and now over removing the farming tax break. I'm sure it must have come up elsewhere. People seem to think defending access to these special handouts on the basis they "Work hard, work long hours" is going to be convincing anyone. It's actually pretty insulting, because the implication is of course that the rest of us (who aren't clamouring for special treatment with our tax affairs) must not be working as hard as them.

I've known teachers, nurses and care workers etc, some of them single parents, who work social-life destroying hours and rely on family for childminding duties. As far as I know none of them have ever gone whinging in public about not getting government handouts like the 'aspirational' parents wanting taxpayer help to give their child special privileges over others, or the farmers looking to squirrel millions away from helping the rest of us.

Of course the self-same whingers do still criticise some of the above for finally receiving "inflation-busting" payrises that do nothing more than reverse a decade of real-term wage cuts in the face of that inflation.

Shameful stuff, it really is. The average Telegraph reader complaining about Starmer being the most Socialist PM in living memory whilst also complaining their special government handouts have been taken away. Perhaps the farme owners, prospective private school parents and Telegraph columnists need to take a few lessons in self-reliance from some other sections of society, and stop being so reliant on scraps from the government table for once.
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It's also ironic that, if nothing else, membership of the EU was good for farmers as the CAP was so indulgent. That they were among the foremost advocates for leaving, only to find that the UK government wasn't so willing to bend over for them is quite amusing.
 
They’re going after “the wrong people” apparently. Don’t know why the Tories didn’t go after the right ones in 14 years but that’s for another time.

Back on the farm cockwombles like Clarkson were gleefully telling the world about the tax breaks he gets cosplaying as a farmer. Now he gets held up by some as a defender of the real farmers he used as a human shield to protect his wealth.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's also ironic that, if nothing else, membership of the EU was good for farmers as the CAP was so indulgent. That they were among the foremost advocates for leaving, only to find that the UK government wasn't so willing to bend over for them is quite amusing.
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And the fishermen Bruce. Don’t forget them.

I like this new post Trumpian victory world where we on the left can just call things as they are without tying ourselves up in knots about being nice.

Farmers who voted for Brexit were warned. The facts were available but they decided to believe Boris. No sympathy.
 
StDomingosGringo said:
They’re going after “the wrong people” apparently. Don’t know why the Tories didn’t go after the right ones in 14 years but that’s for another time.

Back on the farm cockwombles like Clarkson were gleefully telling the world about the tax breaks he gets cosplaying as a farmer. Now he gets held up by some as a defender of the real farmers he used as a human shield to protect his wealth.
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Fee paying schools have had no issue about putting prices during the cost of living crisis, no outcry then. When likes of Clarkson literally boast about buying land to be toy farmer to avoid inheritance tax, no out cry then, just keeps the plebs happy with some TV show about his idiocy.
 
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