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Bruce Wayne said:
Why that particular one? I do some volunteering with a few refugee charities, and one guy I've been supporting is from Afghanistan, which is a place that doesn't get a single mention any more. Another is from South Sudan, which the last time I looked, is also engaged in war at the moment, with no doubt many children being killed. Heck, if we're talking about a "coalition of the left", then maybe climate change would be a bigger deal than Palestine, but that doesn't seem to be the rallying point, despite it nominally being what the Green party is all about.
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Same here. I’ve worked with developing nations for many years and am constantly frustrated by how poorly we, as a species, address global suffering. It’s heartbreaking to see how much of it is allowed to continue. The situation in Gaza is an abomination, but it is odd how Palestine seems to hold a special place for some, even above other countries and people facing similar or worse situations. Palestine absolutely needs justice, as do the people of Sudan, South Sudan, the DRC, Myanmar’s Rohingya, and many others.

The frustration of knowing our leadership systems are corrupt shouldn’t overshadow the reality that horrors are happening all over the world.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Same here. I’ve worked with developing nations for many years and am constantly frustrated by how poorly we, as a species, address global suffering. It’s heartbreaking to see how much of it is allowed to continue. The situation in Gaza is an abomination, but it is odd how Palestine seems to hold a special place for some, even above other countries and people facing similar or worse situations. Palestine absolutely needs justice, as do the people of Sudan, South Sudan, the DRC, Myanmar’s Rohingya, and many others.

The frustration of knowing our leadership systems are corrupt shouldn’t overshadow the reality that horrors are happening all over the world.
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I struggle to see what's so odd about it.

I get if you disagree with it's importance as a main topic of anger, or generally with some people's stance, but I don't know how you can find it odd. (I mean anybody in general)

It honestly seems very clear to me. The one clearest example of continued atrocities with the most obvious complicity of many western nations, including the UK, is Gaza and the Palestine peoples struggle. I don't know another that stands out nearly as much in that regard. It just seems utterly wrong and abhorrent and is being done in front of the world and nobody with any real power is doing anything about it. In fact it seems the opposite, they are enabling it.

Our leadership systems are utterly broken and on a forum where most are from the UK I think it's normal theres particular anger toward this one topic.

I would say why some issues are seen as more important than others and how we have arrived at the point where most people don't know what is happening in south Sudan or Yemen is a whole other thread and doesn't add anything to the discussion of any one of the many different situations.
 
bicycleheader said:
I struggle to see what's so odd about it.

I get if you disagree with it's importance as a main topic of anger, or generally with some people's stance, but I don't know how you can find it odd. (I mean anybody in general)

It honestly seems very clear to me. The one clearest example of continued atrocities with the most obvious complicity of many western nations, including the UK, is Gaza and the Palestine peoples struggle. I don't know another that stands out nearly as much in that regard. It just seems utterly wrong and abhorrent and is being done in front of the world and nobody with any real power is doing anything about it. In fact it seems the opposite, they are enabling it.

Our leadership systems are utterly broken and on a forum where most are from the UK I think it's normal theres particular anger toward this one topic.

I would say why some issues are seen as more important than others and how we have arrived at the point where most people don't know what is happening in south Sudan or Yemen is a whole other thread and doesn't add anything to the discussion of any one of the many different situations.
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I get what you are saying, but my frustration stems from the selective focus on Palestine compared to other pressing humanitarian crises around the world. I completely agree that the situation in Gaza is horrific, and it demands attention and action. However, my observation is that the intense focus on Palestine sometimes overshadows the suffering of people in places like South Sudan, the DRC or Syria, who are also enduring immense hardship and violence.

I recognise that the complicity of western nations in the plight of the Palestinian people is appalling and warrants serious scrutiny. Still, it feels essential to acknowledge that there are other urgent issues that also require advocacy and support. I don't want to diminish the importance of the Palestinian struggle - rather, I hope to broaden the conversation to include the myriad other injustices occurring globally. I note that we all can be draw to a cause.

It's disheartening that so many people are unaware of the suffering in these other regions, and I believe we should strive for a more inclusive dialogue about all the challenges faced by marginalised communities worldwide. Ultimately, our shared goal should be to promote justice and compassion for all people, regardless of where they are suffering.

Also, I appreciate your posts but if I remember correctly, you believed that I had started a thread about African issues to 'score points.' That is the very type of mindset I am referring to.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
I get what you are saying, but my frustration stems from the selective focus on Palestine compared to other pressing humanitarian crises around the world. I completely agree that the situation in Gaza is horrific, and it demands attention and action. However, my observation is that the intense focus on Palestine sometimes overshadows the suffering of people in places like South Sudan, the DRC or Syria, who are also enduring immense hardship and violence.

I recognise that the complicity of western nations in the plight of the Palestinian people is appalling and warrants serious scrutiny. Still, it feels essential to acknowledge that there are other urgent issues that also require advocacy and support. I don't want to diminish the importance of the Palestinian struggle - rather, I hope to broaden the conversation to include the myriad other injustices occurring globally. I note that we all can be draw to a cause.

It's disheartening that so many people are unaware of the suffering in these other regions, and I believe we should strive for a more inclusive dialogue about all the challenges faced by marginalised communities worldwide. Ultimately, our shared goal should be to promote justice and compassion for all people, regardless of where they are suffering.

Also, I appreciate your posts but if I remember correctly, you believed that I had started a thread about African issues to 'score points.' That is the very type of mindset I am referring to.
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Lest we forget, tens of thousands of people have also been murdered by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I'm not sure there have been any marches against Russia nor exhortations that British politicians make the expulsion of Russia from the country their single most important issue though.

(If I was really goading Dave, I might ponder why that is, but I'm not, so don't get your knickers in a knot)

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Bruce Wayne said:
Lest we forget, tens of thousands of people have also been murdered by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I'm not sure there have been any marches against Russia nor exhortations that British politicians make the expulsion of Russia from the country their single most important issue though.

(If I was really goading Dave, I might ponder why that is, but I'm not, so don't get your knickers in a knot)

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Nor would you ignore this.




Anyway, who is looking forward to the budget?
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Same here. I’ve worked with developing nations for many years and am constantly frustrated by how poorly we, as a species, address global suffering. It’s heartbreaking to see how much of it is allowed to continue. The situation in Gaza is an abomination, but it is odd how Palestine seems to hold a special place for some, even above other countries and people facing similar or worse situations. Palestine absolutely needs justice, as do the people of Sudan, South Sudan, the DRC, Myanmar’s Rohingya, and many others.

The frustration of knowing our leadership systems are corrupt shouldn’t overshadow the reality that horrors are happening all over the world.
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Oh I dont know...let me hazard a guess here: do you think it might be because the UK government have connived in a genocide carried out by the Israeli state: handing it arms and diplomatic cover and the time to get on with destroying the Palestinian people that, "for some", elevate their suffering above all others?
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Novel way of doing uturns.

www.theguardian.com

Lisa Nandy announces plan to restore charities to ‘centre of national life’

Culture secretary says civil society groups should ‘tell government when we’re getting it wrong’
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So the tax hike on employers NI contributions to come wont exempt those classed as employers in the charity sector...who they'll hope will keep people fed and sheltered when their attacks on welfare arrive in the budget.

More socialism in action.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
I get what you are saying, but my frustration stems from the selective focus on Palestine compared to other pressing humanitarian crises around the world. I completely agree that the situation in Gaza is horrific, and it demands attention and action. However, my observation is that the intense focus on Palestine sometimes overshadows the suffering of people in places like South Sudan, the DRC or Syria, who are also enduring immense hardship and violence.

I recognise that the complicity of western nations in the plight of the Palestinian people is appalling and warrants serious scrutiny. Still, it feels essential to acknowledge that there are other urgent issues that also require advocacy and support. I don't want to diminish the importance of the Palestinian struggle - rather, I hope to broaden the conversation to include the myriad other injustices occurring globally. I note that we all can be draw to a cause.

It's disheartening that so many people are unaware of the suffering in these other regions, and I believe we should strive for a more inclusive dialogue about all the challenges faced by marginalised communities worldwide. Ultimately, our shared goal should be to promote justice and compassion for all people, regardless of where they are suffering.

Also, I appreciate your posts but if I remember correctly, you believed that I had started a thread about African issues to 'score points.' That is the very type of mindset I am referring to.
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It just sounds too much like a distraction argument or a way to diminish people's opinions on one topic to be very honest, which is why I said it doesn't add anything to the actual discussion in any thread on one of these situations. I don't infer that you are doing that, you clearly have a strong opinion on it but that type argument in the wrong place can come across like that.

I think if you have points to make on the "prioritisation" of current affair topics it could be an interesting discussion on a separate thread.

I had forgotten about my post in the Africa thread. I quickly read again and I don't think it bears getting into on this thread, but I can only say I responded to how some of the posts in the thread came across. I don't fully get your point that it shows some mindset that you are talking about.

More on topic, Labour are like Dyche. Of the options available at the time they were s reasonable one for the situation, and you'd hope they can do better than the last incumbent and beyond that maintain hope something better will come along for your club/country.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Lest we forget, tens of thousands of people have also been murdered by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I'm not sure there have been any marches against Russia nor exhortations that British politicians make the expulsion of Russia from the country their single most important issue though.

(If I was really goading Dave, I might ponder why that is, but I'm not, so don't get your knickers in a knot)

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I think you are being unnecessarily belligerent on this point, but I guess this is the impact on the CA forum of a poster like Dave having zero tact or finesse and winding everybody up

We should have a shun option next to the ignore one, if enough people click it then nobody's sees their posts anymore but they don't know that and they continue to type "let's have it right" with laughing emojis for eternity
 
davek said:
Oh I dont know...let me hazard a guess here: do you think it might be because the UK government have connived in a genocide carried out by the Israeli state: handing it arms and diplomatic cover and the time to get on with destroying the Palestinian people that, "for some", elevate their suffering above all others?
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You're not DaveK.
 
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