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I was going to say that. Ive seen nothing about gas/elec rises coming..

One of the Tories I know keeps telling me about all these extra taxes that are coming my way, but yet I haven't seen any of them - he is recently retired so I'm guessing it is due to being sat on Twitter all day believing the other Tories.

Yet, when we got hammered by Kwarteng and Truss, it was 'about time you lot started paying higher mortgage rates' you can't make it up.
 
For Brexiteers unable to come to terms with the damage they've caused to the younger generations perhaps.

The EU is struggling. The UK has the highest growth in the G7, and our economy grew 0.2% in May. Germany will be lucky to grow 0.1% this year.

Yet, remainers tell us that if we were in the EU we would be surging ahead, despite the rest of the bloc struggling.

How? Why? Who would be providing all this extra trade from the EU to make us enjoy exceptional growth in the developed world? Why would we be the outlier?

Even the Statesman calls it baloney. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2024/01/sadiq-khan-brexit-baloney-wont-fix-economy

Rich remain Tories like Heseltine and his European Movement, Cameron and Osborne are still conning people because EU membership is better for rich people like them. And people on the Left do their bidding. Do they think the 2 vile people behind austerity - an ideological choice - are pro-EU because they have suddenly become compassionate altruists?

I can't understand why people who detest Tories for their cruelty unquestioningly back the same side as the 2 worst Tories there are, and the official position of their government.

As for Labour, I think ensuring OAPs can put heating on is more important than foreign climate, with bills due to increase again.
 
One of the Tories I know keeps telling me about all these extra taxes that are coming my way, but yet I haven't seen any of them - he is recently retired so I'm guessing it is due to being sat on Twitter all day believing the other Tories.

Yet, when we got hammered by Kwarteng and Truss, it was 'about time you lot started paying higher mortgage rates' you can't make it up.

The energy cap is going to increase in October. https://www.energylivenews.com/2024/07/22/uk-energy-bills-predicted-to-rise-by-194/
 
One of the Tories I know keeps telling me about all these extra taxes that are coming my way, but yet I haven't seen any of them - he is recently retired so I'm guessing it is due to being sat on Twitter all day believing the other Tories.

Yet, when we got hammered by Kwarteng and Truss, it was 'about time you lot started paying higher mortgage rates' you can't make it up.
You hope Labour would alter that - after yesterday they are looking after the rich - a government with a red rossette - being more nasty than the Tories - Starmer has lied his way to power .. Worse to come - well I never saw the rich get hurt yesterday ,...
 
The EU is struggling. The UK has the highest growth in the G7, and our economy grew 0.2% in May. Germany will be lucky to grow 0.1% this year.

Yet, remainers tell us that if we were in the EU we would be surging ahead, despite the rest of the bloc struggling.

How? Why? Who would be providing all this extra trade from the EU to make us enjoy exceptional growth in the developed world? Why would we be the outlier?

Even the Statesman calls it baloney. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2024/01/sadiq-khan-brexit-baloney-wont-fix-economy

Rich remain Tories like Heseltine and his European Movement, Cameron and Osborne are still conning people because EU membership is better for rich people like them. And people on the Left do their bidding. Do they think the 2 vile people behind austerity - an ideological choice - are pro-EU because they have suddenly become compassionate altruists?

I can't understand why people who detest Tories for their cruelty unquestioningly back the same side as the 2 worst Tories there are, and the official position of their government.

As for Labour, I think ensuring OAPs can put heating on is more important than foreign climate, with bills due to increase again.

I didn't say any of that, but okay, wrong thread for this, though.

As to your final point, this is not affecting pensioners on pension credit and there will also be provision for cases that fall in-between the gaps. Even the Tories had provision in these cases.

Considering the above, it seems like a sensible policy that allows money urgently needed to be spent in another sector.
 
You hope Labour would alter that - after yesterday they are looking after the rich - a government with a red rossette - being more nasty than the Tories - Starmer has lied his way to power .. Worse to come - well I never saw the rich get hurt yesterday ,...

Let's try give them a bit longer than 3 weeks to try and undo nearly 15 years of damage.
 
One of the Tories I know keeps telling me about all these extra taxes that are coming my way, but yet I haven't seen any of them - he is recently retired so I'm guessing it is due to being sat on Twitter all day believing the other Tories.

Yet, when we got hammered by Kwarteng and Truss, it was 'about time you lot started paying higher mortgage rates' you can't make it up.
Well, if I have to pay a bit more in taxes, but they fix the country then so be it!!
 
Blame anything but the truth, any of our Governments could not run a P up in a brewery, mate .. Unless they have parties when everyone is in lockdown, that is :rant:
But the only FPN Johnson received was for a cake presentation on a workplace break with colleagues who he had been with all day.

On the same absurd interpretation of the law applied (that every single gathering had to be essential for work purposes) it means the gatherings some NHS staff did for tiktok dances were also illegal. They were not essential for work purposes, either.

I am most definitely not a Tory. But I am for the rule of law, fairness and equal enforcement of the law.

You may say, "But there were loads of parties at 10 Downing St."

And those present were FPNd.

There were also many other MPs from other parties who broke lockdown law and received no penalties. But only Sunak & Johnson were sanctioned.

That is not equal application of law. And that affects us all. If a PM and Chancellor can't get equal treatment before the law, what chance has the young disabled woman from a poor area before a PIP tribunal?
 
I was wondering what “track” you are on. It just looks like swinging wildly at everything Labour because you’re fretting about your inheritance. For the few, not the many, now being dismantled.

I inherited nothing. My parents were as poor as you could imagine. I personally am reasonably well off and since Gordon Brown have spent all these years actively giving my money and various property assets away for the benefit of my children and grandchildren and various charities. When I die, I intend leaving not a penny for this or any other government…my comment about inheritance was aimed at the younger 60+ and below members of this forum and those who still have parents…..
 
Mate, it doesn't have to be a one or another situation. My mortgage has gone up as has the cost of living, but that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for pensioners.

My mother for example is retired and thankfully has a decent pension, but the winter fuel allowance was a great help for her for a multitude of reasons.

Firstly, pensioners spend more time at home (our house is empty from 8am to 3pm most days due to work and school), so we do not heat it at that point.

Now I'm the first to say, "Put a jumper on!" yet it ain't that easy because a) they're there longer, and b) often as people age their circulatory systems decline.

This causes them to feel the cold much more, hence the need for heating to be on; when we're at work with the warmth, they're often having to heat their own home.

Is it unfair to criticise those possibly requiring some support in these times of growing costs, when the likes of my mum has paid tax all her life?

She's stoic and will shoulder it, but there are a lot of pensioners for who that £300 is the difference between heating their home, eating and staying healthy/alive.

It ain't like they can go out to work to get the money either, is it? But let's be clear, the real issue here is the extortionate fuel prices that we have to face here.

If they can be brought into line, the issue about the fuel credits wouldn't be as severe.

Absolutely…..
 
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