Current Affairs The Labour Party

Status
Not open for further replies.
Exactly, which is why a £15 an hour minimum wage makes no sense. You put small businesses under, fewer jobs, higher prices etc.

He didn't support a £15 minimum wage, he said it was 'basic' for McDonald's workers. He's right; McDonald's should pay more. If he supported £15 an hour flat as a minimum, he would be open to attack, because it'd be stupid.

Starmer needs to counter the £15 per hour with something to close the debate down, the bloke is political naive... He acknowledges a cost of living crisis. Well what is he going to do? Something on the lines below...

For government it should be to reduce the cost of living, which raising the minimum wage does not do.

If it was up to me, the two areas I’d go after first are housing and transport, both areas where government action could relatively easily be made - by a massive expansion in social housing provision (which will reduce cost of rents across the sector, reduce HB spending and eventually cause house prices to fall) and by increasing availability of and reducing the cost of public transport.

Doing that sort of thing is going to put more “spare” money in people’s pockets than bumping up the MW.

Just Starmer "says nooooooo" mantra is poor.
 
Exactly, which is why a £15 an hour minimum wage makes no sense. You put small businesses under, fewer jobs, higher prices etc.

He didn't support a £15 minimum wage, he said it was 'basic' for McDonald's workers. He's right; McDonald's should pay more. If he supported £15 an hour flat as a minimum, he would be open to attack, because it'd be stupid.
If you, as a business, can't spare 15 an hour on personnel, you shouldn't hire personnel. The café on the corner only needs 6 coffees or so sold to pay for the hourly wage...

Most European countries have a set minimum wage that's higher than what the UK's is (tax & social contributions included), you don't see poverty lines or mass-layoffs. 12 would be a good compromise to start with.

As a western country, one of the richest, most developed in the world, one job should suffice to survive & pay the rent.
 
Go onto radio show to discuss min wage rise without knowing what min wage currently is. They’re totally out of touch these boys. Tory lite
 
Exactly, which is why a £15 an hour minimum wage makes no sense. You put small businesses under, fewer jobs, higher prices etc.

He didn't support a £15 minimum wage, he said it was 'basic' for McDonald's workers. He's right; McDonald's should pay more. If he supported £15 an hour flat as a minimum, he would be open to attack, because it'd be stupid.
So he is advocating a policy whereby the rate for the job isn’t based on anything to do with fairness but on the employers opinion of what he can afford. He is saying that if I work in a burger bar for McDonalds I deserve £15 per hour but if I work for Big Jim’s Burger Bar I should be paid £7.50 per hour because Big Jim isn’t a multinational.
If I was on benefits and someone offered me £2 per hour because he couldn’t afford to pay more, in his opinion, then I have to work for £2 per hour or be sanctioned because I won’t work.
Starting to sound a bit like sending children up chimneys because someone can’t afford a proper professional chimney sweep.
 
If you, as a business, can't spare 15 an hour on personnel, you shouldn't hire personnel. The café on the corner only needs 6 coffees or so sold to pay for the hourly wage...

Most European countries have a set minimum wage that's higher than what the UK's is (tax & social contributions included), you don't see poverty lines or mass-layoffs. 12 would be a good compromise to start with.

As a western country, one of the richest, most developed in the world, one job should suffice to survive & pay the rent.

Just ridiculously simplistic. I'm assuming you've never ran a business.
 
So he is advocating a policy whereby the rate for the job isn’t based on anything to do with fairness but on the employers opinion of what he can afford. He is saying that if I work in a burger bar for McDonalds I deserve £15 per hour but if I work for Big Jim’s Burger Bar I should be paid £7.50 per hour because Big Jim isn’t a multinational.
If I was on benefits and someone offered me £2 per hour because he couldn’t afford to pay more, in his opinion, then I have to work for £2 per hour or be sanctioned because I won’t work.
Starting to sound a bit like sending children up chimneys because someone can’t afford a proper professional chimney sweep.

No, that's obviously not what I'm saying, but I'm not surprised you've devolved to posting something that crass because, ultimately, you can't defend increasing the minimum wage by nearly £6 an hour.
 
lol

Kirkby lad here brought up on next to nothing, worked in supermarkets, bars, the lot.

So yes, I've had to do that.
Than surely you agree that 8,36 an hour is a bit low; it doesn't have to be 15 for me, but it should be considerably higher. It'll ''liberate'' a pool of poorer (often with foreign roots) people with children to more interesting things than just working & sleeping.
 
Than surely you agree that 8,36 an hour is a bit low; it doesn't have to be 15 for me, but it should be considerably higher. It'll ''liberate'' a pool of poorer (often with foreign roots) people with children to more interesting things than just working & sleeping.

No, because of small to medium sized business growth, which spurs job creation and the economy. You put that minimum wage up to £15 overnight, or even £12.50, you'd have some small enterprises (as in approx. 3 employees) go under altogether, you'd have those on the cusp of booming have to cut back staff etc.

People on the left have this view that if you're a 'business owner' you're automatically minted and obviously a Tory. They have no idea how it works. Take your café comment that they have to sell six cups to pay for the wage... but what about VAT? Business rates? Corp Tax? etc. etc. etc.? SMEs are absolutely hammered from all sides; a near 100% increase in wages for staff would be horrific for loads of them, and not just them, all of us, because all it does is further monopolise bigger businesses who can absorb the increase.

No, the NMW should act as a safety net only accessible to businesses below certain revenues. It shouldn't be the baseline. Unlike what the lad said above, it's not that I think people should be paid differently for the same job, but I think that if you work for a business that is pulling hundreds of millions in profit then you should the wealth should be redistributed accordingly, so that job shouldn't be considered the same; it should be aspirational to work at McDonald's or Amazon, they shouldn't be allowed to exploit people when they have that level of success.

Consider football - a striker for Man Utd and a striker for Morecambe do exactly the same job but are renumerated differently based on skill because the employer is literally in a different league. Imagine every football club paid every player minimum wage!
 
If you, as a business, can't spare 15 an hour on personnel, you shouldn't hire personnel. The café on the corner only needs 6 coffees or so sold to pay for the hourly wage...

Most European countries have a set minimum wage that's higher than what the UK's is (tax & social contributions included), you don't see poverty lines or mass-layoffs. 12 would be a good compromise to start with.

As a western country, one of the richest, most developed in the world, one job should suffice to survive & pay the rent.

Most businesses in Britain can't afford that. This is a ridiculous take. The job losses with a rise straight to £15 would be enormous.

You will also make it very hard for students and young people to find work. £15 quid an hour would have been like triple time in my old part time job back in Uni days! I know we have age bands for the minimum wage, but if you raise the main rate by so much then presumably the rates for 16-25 need to go up in a similar proportion.
 
Go onto radio show to discuss min wage rise without knowing what min wage currently is. They’re totally out of touch these boys. Tory lite
Typical of a academia in the UK now, they know lots apart from how many people actually live.

Also the advisors, surely knowing this would be subject . Take seconds before interview to have the various minimum wages according to age up on smart phone. Really is ridiculous.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top