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Andy Burnham as leader Lisa Nandy as deputy tasked to modernise the party
Boot out all the far left champagne socialists who sit around Landon centric supper ( what a word eh ) parties jawing about nothing that connects with ordinary people’s lives.
A ticket of republicanism , fair taxation for the huge multinationals and free University education in England would be a start.
The tax burden on us ordinary people is crushing.
Sir Kier is being schooled on how to appear to have a personality ? he’s like a mid level sales manager from the 1990s
 
Andy Burnham as leader Lisa Nandy as deputy tasked to modernise the party
Boot out all the far left champagne socialists who sit around Landon centric supper ( what a word eh ) parties jawing about nothing that connects with ordinary people’s lives.
A ticket of republicanism , fair taxation for the huge multinationals and free University education in England would be a start.
The tax burden on us ordinary people is crushing.
Sir Kier is being schooled on how to appear to have a personality ? he’s like a mid level sales manager from the 1990s
Good luck selling republicanism to the British electorate mate.
 
No, that's obviously not what I'm saying, but I'm not surprised you've devolved to posting something that crass because, ultimately, you can't defend increasing the minimum wage by nearly £6 an hour.
I can defend a proper minimum wage, if you pay people what they are worth they will they will earn their worth. If you pay someone a wage that is sufficient to I still some pride in themselves you will I still a work ethic. Give a worker some dignity and you will reap the rewards of a dignified workforce.
Pay someone a pittance and you get what you pay for. If a worker has to go to a food bank to get enough food themselves and their family is it any wonder you don’t have a motivated work force.
The Leader of the Labour Party has to have some connection with socialism, currently we have a right wing Prime Minister who is espousing a “levelling up” agenda and a leader of the Labour Party saying we can’t level up because some employers can’t afford to pay workers the going rate.
 
No, because of small to medium sized business growth, which spurs job creation and the economy. You put that minimum wage up to £15 overnight, or even £12.50, you'd have some small enterprises (as in approx. 3 employees) go under altogether, you'd have those on the cusp of booming have to cut back staff etc.

People on the left have this view that if you're a 'business owner' you're automatically minted and obviously a Tory. They have no idea how it works. Take your café comment that they have to sell six cups to pay for the wage... but what about VAT? Business rates? Corp Tax? etc. etc. etc.? SMEs are absolutely hammered from all sides; a near 100% increase in wages for staff would be horrific for loads of them, and not just them, all of us, because all it does is further monopolise bigger businesses who can absorb the increase.

No, the NMW should act as a safety net only accessible to businesses below certain revenues. It shouldn't be the baseline. Unlike what the lad said above, it's not that I think people should be paid differently for the same job, but I think that if you work for a business that is pulling hundreds of millions in profit then you should the wealth should be redistributed accordingly, so that job shouldn't be considered the same; it should be aspirational to work at McDonald's or Amazon, they shouldn't be allowed to exploit people when they have that level of success.

Consider football - a striker for Man Utd and a striker for Morecambe do exactly the same job but are renumerated differently based on skill because the employer is literally in a different league. Imagine every football club paid every player minimum wage!
No they don't.
I think it should be higher... SME's should be protected from monopolizing multinationals in other ways than keeping a NMW up that's barely above living standards.

Besides, which small to mediumsized company is on the cusp of booming with JUST personnel on minimum wage? Not too many I'd wager. Reality is: mostly the ''lowest percentile' works on these wages. In reality: the cleaning lady, housekeeping personnel, the barman, ppl at MacDonalds, Amazon...., often un-unionsed & undefended. Skilled labour is not the scope here. For example: HGV-drivers earn more than 15 already... SME's working in construction pay quite well. If they don't, they don't have a workforce & go under.

This has been debated for decades & not just in the UK. You're forgetting the often made argument that the NMW drives inflation to undesireable heights! It's been done to death. Fingers have been pointed to France. France has a minimumwage of more than 10 euro. NIC & other 'patronal' contributions not-included (so actual cost is considerably higher).

Making comparisons between countries is difficult & unnuanced (schools in France are free for example, so is (to a degree) the university) so this could impact the calculation of your minimum wage), but you can hardly argue that France is 3rd world country now, can you?

On the other hand however, I can somehow agree with you anyway, because we see (in EU states) that low skilled labour is shifting to self-employed contracts paying 5 euro an hour.... Which is, of course, even worse. So what do I know?
 
Typical of a academia in the UK now, they know lots apart from how many people actually live.

Also the advisors, surely knowing this would be subject . Take seconds before interview to have the various minimum wages according to age up on smart phone. Really is ridiculous.
To be fair, a few academics in social sciences that I know also volunteer or work within the charity sector so would probably have a fair idea, but it doesn’t look good for the ivory tower critique.

Every minister in the U.K. should know
what the minimum wage is.
 
To be fair, a few academics in social sciences that I know also volunteer or work within the charity sector so would probably have a fair idea, but it doesn’t look good for the ivory tower critique.

Every minister in the U.K. should know
what the minimum wage is.
It was a wide brush, I would suggest they are exception to the rule.

Every minister in particular when the circumstances, is a minister resignation and vote...
 
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Having praised the Liberals for supporting the International Fund for Israeli-Palestinian Peace a couple of weeks ago I must also praise the Labour leadership for their backing, particularly Starmer and Lisa Nandy.

This was Starmer's statement:

"Under my leadership Labour is unequivocally committed to a negotiated two state solution – with Israel safe and secure and recognised within its borders, living alongside a democratic, independent Palestinian state. That's why Labour strongly support the International Fund for Israeli-Palestinian peace. It's incredibly disappointing that the British government has not fully got behind the proposal. We must bring people together through initiatives – not drive them apart through boycotts. That’s the path forward for Israelis and for Palestinians.
Labour welcomes the Abraham Accords and the growing diplomatic normalisation between Israel and its Arab neighbours. This will enhance security and prosperity for all peoples across the region.
It's deeply heartening to see the Israeli Labour Party back in government under Merav Michaeli. I'm encouraged by the new coalition government, including an Israeli Arab party. And I'm encouraged by the steps the government is taking to repair relations with the Palestinian Authority and its proposals to tackle the terrible plight of the people of Gaza."

Nandy confirmed her support of Starmer's statement and expressed her hope that Labour could "return to becoming a fair and honest broker in the region."
 
Having praised the Liberals for supporting the International Fund for Israeli-Palestinian Peace a couple of weeks ago I must also praise the Labour leadership for their backing, particularly Starmer and Lisa Nandy.

This was Starmer's statement:

"Under my leadership Labour is unequivocally committed to a negotiated two state solution – with Israel safe and secure and recognised within its borders, living alongside a democratic, independent Palestinian state. That's why Labour strongly support the International Fund for Israeli-Palestinian peace. It's incredibly disappointing that the British government has not fully got behind the proposal. We must bring people together through initiatives – not drive them apart through boycotts. That’s the path forward for Israelis and for Palestinians.
Labour welcomes the Abraham Accords and the growing diplomatic normalisation between Israel and its Arab neighbours. This will enhance security and prosperity for all peoples across the region.
It's deeply heartening to see the Israeli Labour Party back in government under Merav Michaeli. I'm encouraged by the new coalition government, including an Israeli Arab party. And I'm encouraged by the steps the government is taking to repair relations with the Palestinian Authority and its proposals to tackle the terrible plight of the people of Gaza."

Nandy confirmed her support of Starmer's statement and expressed her hope that Labour could "return to becoming a fair and honest broker in the region."
I just wonder sometimes if this discord suits certain superpowers I mean surely a high level retired politician ( as Clinton did in the Island of Ireland peace process ) could with his wife dedicate himself to brokering this vision of 2states, living alongside each other promoting a peaceful and prosperous life for both communities. These communities are just families, men women and children who want a decent present and future. I am thinking Obama and Michelle of course it would eclipse anything he achieved as potus.
 
He’s right other than the unelectable bit.

He’s probably moving towards being very electable which is why his main motive over the course of the week was doing away with the left of the party.

Sad, but it is what it is.

I do think Owen Jones is an idiot though who’s brain has been fried by the internet. Log off for a bit pal.
 
I mean, he did lie and break pretty much every promise he ran on to become leader in terms of uniting the party and building on the 2017 manifesto.

He’s rightly being called out for that by the left.
And come General Election time, he'll be exposed as untrustworthy by the right for it too. The levels of irony will be farcical, but it's all self-inflicted.
 
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