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[NilSatisOptimum]

£15 minimum wage is an impossibility. Cost of goods and services would have to rise to accommodate it. Then the rise in pay would not be worth as much as they thought. Then everyone else's pay would have to increase as the costs of goods had increased.. messy.

Not necessarily those in the upper echelons of business that pay below £15 just take less of the pie in wage terms, and it's mainly them squawking at the idea as they need their 2 weeks away on Greek island couple of times a year
Anyway the idea of £15 is just principle in system that has high and rising living costs.

 

[Eggs]

Eggs the members have a better idea of who would be a good leader than MPs do.

…..I beg to differ, Ed Milliband over David Milliband. David Milliband leaves Westminster politics. Corbyn over Burnham, Burnham leaves Westminster politics.

Any Membership that elects a Corbyn type figure are insular and will keep Labour in the wilderness for good.

 

[tsubaki]

…..I beg to differ, Ed Milliband over David Milliband. David Milliband leaves Westminster politics. Corbyn over Burnham, Burnham leaves Westminster politics.

Any Membership that elects a Corbyn type figure are insular and will keep Labour in the wilderness for good.

The membership picked David Miliband over Ed, Eggs.

Burnham also didn’t quit after 2015.

 

[Brennan]

The membership picked David Miliband over Ed, Eggs.

Burnham also didn’t quit after 2015.

Depends what you class as “members”.

Affiliated plus Labour members put Ed Milliband in, the key being that MPs alone would have put David in, which was what Eggs was getting at I think.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So to summarise, Labour are currently ignoring all the warning signs now. You can see the writing on the wall. What with Tories having their worst leader in history, someone so bad that May gets lauded with recent speeches from the backbenches.

Because lets make this abundantly clear now, Starmer will not win in 2024.

Lots said about Corbyn, even if his era proved a dead end it did however, do one very important thing; it renergised the party and refloated it financially.

If Corbyn hadn’t been elected leader, with the vast membership push that followed it, I honestly doubt the Labour Party would have had the money to fight the 2017 election effectively, and they certainly wouldn’t have had enough to fight the 2019 one so soon afterwards.

Doubt Starmer could convince his family members join Labour, that leaves sponsorship from business...

 

[tsubaki]

Depends what you class as “members”.

Affiliated plus Labour members put Ed Milliband in, the key being that MPs alone would have put David in, which was what Eggs was getting at I think.

the members voted for David Miliband by a bigger margin than MPs did; it was the affiliated people who turned the result

this “you can’t trust the membership” argument is rubbish

 

[Brennan]

the members voted for David Miliband by a bigger margin than MPs did; it was the affiliated people who turned the result

this “you can’t trust the membership” argument is rubbish

They were affiliated members via trade unions. You can’t just call them “people” to disregard it.

 

[Brennan]

So to summarise, Labour are currently ignoring all the warning signs now. You can see the writing on the wall. What with Tories having their worst leader in history, someone so bad that May gets lauded with recent speeches from the backbenches.

Because lets make this abundantly clear now, Starmer will not win in 2024.

Lots said about Corbyn, even if his era proved a dead end it did however, do one very important thing; it renergised the party and refloated it financially.

If Corbyn hadn’t been elected leader, with the vast membership push that followed it, I honestly doubt the Labour Party would have had the money to fight the 2017 election effectively, and they certainly wouldn’t have had enough to fight the 2019 one so soon afterwards.

Doubt Starmer could convince his family members join Labour, that leaves sponsorship from business...

The finances comments are not really accurate.

Labour made £58m in 2019 of which £16m came from membership contributions, but half of that was already being paid prior to Corbyn.

Membership isn’t the key to a successful political party in this country, which is why Labour were trounced with their highest ever membership by a Tory party whose membership has continually declined for years.

 

[tsubaki]

They were affiliated members via trade unions. You can’t just call them “people” to disregard it.

not part of the Labour membership though were they, which was the point

 

[dead_soft]

For government it should be to reduce the cost of living, which raising the minimum wage does not do.

If it was up to me, the two areas I’d go after first are housing and transport, both areas where government action could relatively easily be made - by a massive expansion in social housing provision (which will reduce cost of rents across the sector, reduce HB spending and eventually cause house prices to fall) and by increasing availability of and reducing the cost of public transport.

Doing that sort of thing is going to put more “spare” money in people’s pockets than bumping up the MW.

The government can, and should, do both. The minimum wage can help close gaps of earning whilst ensuring everyone has the ability and means to live a comfortable and fulfilled life

 

[dead_soft]

This speech is really not very good. I had hoped there would be something that might show some proper vision or something truly Labour

 

[degsy]

£15 minimum wage is an impossibility. Cost of goods and services would have to rise to accommodate it. Then the rise in pay would not be worth as much as they thought. Then everyone else's pay would have to increase as the costs of goods had increased.. messy.

One man's wage increase is another man's price increase - Harold Wilson.
True then - True now.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Lammy continuing his seemingly endless crusade to be crowned worst MP ever.

The new dark age is upon us.

Science?? Facts?? pfft not on my watch.

 

[Tubey]

He did, and he should. He is the leader of the Labour Party, a party of the left. As the leader of a party of the left it is for him to espouse the principles of the left not change them to suit his gentrified ideal of the left. If he disagrees with the ideolo the Labour then maybe he is in the wrong party.
It most important thing is not to get him into power by moving the party to the right but to come up with fully costed socialist policies and to lead the debate and convince the electorate that a socialist party is in the interests of the majority.
He is deluded if he thinks party unity is second to electoral success, there is no electoral success without party unity. He needs to find some way to connect the parliamentary party to the grass roots.

Can you point me to where he did?

All I can see is that he picketed with McDonald's workers for a £15 wage, not a minimum wage.

 

[Tubey]

The new dark age is upon us.

Science?? Facts?? pfft not on my watch.

It's David Lammy, one of worst politicians to ever grace Westminster. It's just the latest in a long line of nonsense from him - granted, it is comfortably the worst like. Proper idiot.