The Guardian pretty much nails it in one...

[tim cahill]

Allardyce spent less at bolton to achieve similar final positions. Do we want him?

Has anyone spent the same as us and finished higher?

 

[Goat]

In 2001-02 Everton spent 0.975 million net, paid wages of 29.2 million and finished 15th.
Bolton spent 1.4 million, paid wages of 18.4 million and finished 16th.

In 2002-03 Everton spent 8.25 million net, paid wages of 29.7 million and finished 7th.
Bolton spent -3.5 million (profit), paid wages of 19.0 million and finished 17th.

In 2003-04 Everton spent 1.55 million net, paid wages of 33.1 million and finished 17th.
Bolton spent 1.95 million, paid wages of 23.5 million and finished 8th.

In 2004-05 Everton spent -20.02 million net (profit), paid wages of 30.8 million and finished 4th.
Bolton spent 4.7 million, paid wages of 25.4 million and finished 6th.

In 2005-06 Everton spent 25.1 million net, paid wages of 37 million and finished 11th.
Bolton spent 1.75 million, paid wages of 28.5 million and finished 8th.

In 2006-07 Everton spent 4 million net, paid wages of 38.4 million and finished 6th.
Bolton spent 9 million, paid wages of 30.7 million and finished 7th.

Over that time Everton spent 218 million to finish 4th, 6th, 7th, 11th, 15th and 17th.
Bolton spent 160.8 million to finish 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 16th and 17th.

Allardyce did a better job there than moyes did here.

You can remove 2001-2002 lad, cos Moyes wasnt here.

 

[Allezfan]

You can remove 2001-2002 lad, cos Moyes wasnt here.

He was like, I was there.

 

[Allezfan]

Allardyce did better than Moyes then, but Moyes is a better manager and better scout now than he was five years ago. Allardyce meanwhile has stayed the same or arguably gotten worse.

Or is Moyes simply reaping the benefit of remaining in the same job whereas allardyce is suffering from constantly having to manage players other people bought?

 

[Goat]

He was like, I was there.

No mate.

14 March 2002

"I am from a city (Glasgow) that is not unlike Liverpool. I am joining the people's football club. The majority of people you meet on the street are Everton fans. It is a fantastic opportunity, something you dream about. I said 'yes' right away as it is such a big club."

 

[Allezfan]

No mate.

14 March 2002

"I am from a city (Glasgow) that is not unlike Liverpool. I am joining the people's football club. The majority of people you meet on the street are Everton fans. It is a fantastic opportunity, something you dream about. I said 'yes' right away as it is such a big club."

There for some of it but fine.

188 million to finish 4th, 6th, 7th, 11th and 17th vs 142 million to finish 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th and 17th.

 

[Goat]

Fine.

188 million to finish 4th, 6th, 7th, 11th and 17th vs 142 million to finish 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th and 17th.

Thanks mate.

And I'm off to the races
Cases of Bacardi chasers
Chasin' me all over town
Cause he knows I'm wasted,
Facing time again on Rikers Island
And I won't get out

Because I'm crazy, baby
I need you to come here and save me
I'm your little scarlet, starlet
Singing in the garden,
Kiss me on my open mouth
Ready for you

 

[Brennan]

Is AF arguing that Allardyce is a better manager ?

Think he needs banning if so.

 

[Allezfan]

Is AF arguing that Allardyce is a better manager ?

Think he needs banning if so.

I'm arguing that they're basically the same manager, same weaknesses, same strengths.

Only we view allardyce with a clearer eye because he's not at our club.

 

[Goat]

Is AF arguing that Allardyce is a better manager ?

Think he needs banning if so.

Hes made a fine point I feel.

Clearly hes not saying that Big Sam is better, hes merely pointing out that he did a similar job at Bolton.

He provided the stats and its hard to disagree with them.

Good work from the boy Elton.

 

[Goat]

I'm arguing that they're basically the same manager, same weaknesses, same strengths.

Only we view allardyce with a clearer eye because he's not at our club.

Ok, I take it back.

BAN THIS BEAST

 

[Allezfan]

Ok, I take it back.

BAN THIS BEAST

Ha, ha. No, in all seriousness Moyes is the better manager, and we play better football. I wouldn't swap the two.

I just think comparing the two jobs is interesting because it is similar and it kind of puts a bit of doubt to the idea that moyes would have success elsewhere.

 

[Goat]

Ha, ha. No, in all seriousness Moyes is the better manager, and we play better football. I wouldn't swap the two.

I just think comparing the two jobs is interesting because it is similar and it kind of puts a bit of doubt to the idea that moyes would have success elsewhere.

Time will answer that question.

 

[Brennan]

Time will answer that question.

It won't because he's not leaving, praise the lord.

Sign a thirty year contract David.

 

[blueblue]

David Moyes greatest strength as a manager is assembling an excellent squad of players from meagre resources.
He also excels at turning those players into being the best that they can be.

I believe that his weakness is not being able to get the maximum from the collection of players he has assembled because of his conservative nature.This is most evident against weaker teams that we should beat comfortably.
Our record against teams in the bottom half of the bottom half is quite poor.Of the two team relegated so far we have taken 7/12 points this season,which is quite poor.