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[Charlie Sweet]

Great Leaders always have some form of failing. Boris has indiscretions, Corbyn has an Israeli racist viewpoint...

What do you mean by the latter. What has Corbyn either done or said? Be specific please.

 

[Jebus_lives]

There's a French philosopher, whose name I forget, who basically argues that some people judge a statement by its truthfulness, and others by the sincerity with which its uttered. I suspect for many Trump/Brexit supporters, the latter is the lens through which his comments are viewed, hence why so few of his backers have changed their minds, even after he has lied more frequently than any president in American history. What he says doesn't really matter to them. This is almost the philosophical version of his shooting people in Times Square comment, as he knows he doesn't have to speak the truth, just speak with conviction and never back down on his stance. If he does that then people will no more abandon him than you or I would abandon Everton because they're crap.

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Going to have a stab in the dark at that.

I often think that a politician lying in the way that Johnson/Trump/Putin do is favoured because it gives permission for others to do the same or to be comfortable with normally frowned upon behavior. It seems a by product of a reaction to a set of rules that are societally beginning to break down.

There has been a shift, certainly in my lifetime of the right being reactionary and easily offended and it's switched the other way.

Its like a structure has been created for centuries that told people to 'know their place and respect your betters' and now the same people that would have perpetuated those ideas are saying 'be as obnoxious as possible, because it's successful'.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Because older people tend to be more determined than younger people. Age tends to give one a sense of responsibility, youth tends to do whatever is happening that night......

A bit too far of a generalisation for me. I would suggest that younger voters have a greater world understanding than many established voters and are the very people you want shaping the government.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Great Leaders always have some form of failing. Boris has indiscretions, Corbyn has an Israeli racist viewpoint...

So both Johnson and Corbyn are racists?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Great Leaders know a direction, good managers help them achieve it....Starmer is in the latter group....Boris is in the former....

He doesn't know the direction though, he, as Hesseltine pointed out 'waits to see what direction things are going then runs to the front and shouts follow me'

That will work when you don't have responsibility, but as proved by his Brexit capitulation, it doesn't work when you do.

You were so gleeful he would deliver Brexit, no ifs or buts, by 31st October and he let you down Pete. He let the country he promised he would deliver it down because he threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his way of delivering it by a completely self imposed deadline.

He stopped Brexit to have a General Election, despite us only having one two years ago.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Because older people tend to be more determined than younger people. Age tends to give one a sense of responsibility, youth tends to do whatever is happening that night......

Utter rubbish

 

[Jebus_lives]

Great Leaders always have some form of failing. Boris has indiscretions, Corbyn has an Israeli racist viewpoint...

And incompetence, and disastrous diplomatic interventions, racist columns in newspapers, indecision, failed vanity projects that squander public money. It's a healthy list.

 

[peteblue]

Crazy isnt it. Scottish independence pretty much guarantees unopposed right wing governments for the next 20 years.



But Pete - this latest Johnson video about his (wrong) interpretation of the Irish sea customs arrangements proves the flaw in you admiring that former categort. Johnson is full of bluster and hasnt an ounce of integrity and it's coming home to roost. How else do you explain that video? He doesnt know his onions!




I'd argue the Brexit vote showed the older generation in a very bad light. A sense of responsibility would have been to err on the side of caution and Remain. Do you not agree? Sure even if you think Leave is still a good option you would have to concede it is fraught with more risk than the status quo? You can still say you think it will be better in the long run and you're relying on instinct- but there's no brexiteer out there saying it will be devoid of risk.

But strangely, the older generation have always lived with risk and are not frightened to do what they think is right...our millenials are more concerned about the price of their next new car....

 

[peteblue]

Utter rubbish

Go on, give us a clue, how old are you.....

 

[peteblue]

And incompetence, and disastrous diplomatic interventions, racist columns in newspapers, indecision, failed vanity projects that squander public money. It's a healthy list.

You have never met a Leader have you.....

 

[peteblue]

He doesn't know the direction though, he, as Hesseltine pointed out 'waits to see what direction things are going then runs to the front and shouts follow me'

That will work when you don't have responsibility, but as proved by his Brexit capitulation, it doesn't work when you do.

You were so gleeful he would deliver Brexit, no ifs or buts, by 31st October and he let you down Pete. He let the country he promised he would deliver it down because he threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his way of delivering it by a completely self imposed deadline.

He stopped Brexit to have a General Election, despite us only having one two years ago.

He didn’t let me down, I saw what he tried to do, I watched backstabbers try to kill everything he promised the country. He went up in my estimation, and believe me I am not easily pleased, the cretins who opposed our leaving will soon be found out.....

 

[peteblue]

A bit too far of a generalisation for me. I would suggest that younger voters have a greater world understanding than many established voters and are the very people you want shaping the government.

I have travelled the world. I have worked all over the world. I have enough air miles to comfortably travel the world many times over In first class. My kids who are all in their 30’s and 40’s work around the world, but would be the first to admit that they do not even come close to my own experience....going on holiday around Europe, playing on the Internet or driving a new German car does not give a greater world understanding.......

 

[Jebus_lives]

He didn’t let me down, I saw what he tried to do, I watched backstabbers try to kill everything he promised the country. He went up in my estimation, and believe me I am not easily pleased, the cretins who opposed our leaving will soon be found out.....

Poor Boris. If only he hadn't made bold claims about getting Brexit done 'no ifs or buts'

He'll need your excuses again Pete.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I have travelled the world. I have worked all over the world. I have enough air miles to comfortably travel the world many times over In first class. My kids who are all in their 30’s and 40’s work around the world, but would be the first to admit that they do not even come close to my own experience....going on holiday around Europe, playing on the Internet or driving a new German car does not give a greater world understanding.......

Always worth a repost:

Regardless of topic, the core of any argument by @peteblue seems to be 'i am better than you' which is in direct contrast to all available evidence.

 

[peteblue]

“ Lord Blunkett has described his ”despair” at the ”anti-Semitism and thuggery“ in the Labour Party and suggested Jeremy Corbyn is on course for a 1983-style drubbing at the polls.
The former Labour home secretary said the party is “plagued by intolerance and division” which made the chances of a Corbyn majority “extraordinarily slim”.
He suggested the best Labour could hope for was another hung parliament, and urged moderates within the party to “stay and fight” to make sure “the voice of reason” prevailed.....

Not looking too good for Corbyn now is it.....these voices will only be amplified in the coming weeks....So to all you Labour supporters, who is right Corbyn or Blunkett ?.......