Current Affairs The General Election

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a strategy that Putin and Trump have used effectively. Make false statements and lie to muddy the waters so much that people can't keep track of what's true and what's false.

Seems to be quite effective.

There's a French philosopher, whose name I forget, who basically argues that some people judge a statement by its truthfulness, and others by the sincerity with which its uttered. I suspect for many Trump/Brexit supporters, the latter is the lens through which his comments are viewed, hence why so few of his backers have changed their minds, even after he has lied more frequently than any president in American history. What he says doesn't really matter to them. This is almost the philosophical version of his shooting people in Times Square comment, as he knows he doesn't have to speak the truth, just speak with conviction and never back down on his stance. If he does that then people will no more abandon him than you or I would abandon Everton because they're crap.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Curious as to why you think that Pete? Have never thought about it to be honest (weather effecting an election I mean).

Because older people always vote more than younger people

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

More from the PM. He's a pub bore running the country...

Fornicate me.

That is insane.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Fornicate me.

That is insane.

He hasn’t a clue as to what his own agreement actually entails. He is nothing more than a man who tells you what you want to hear.

 

[tsubaki]

Its them Tories again....

British Hindus are being targeted by WhatsApp messages urging them to vote against Labour in the general election, accusing the party of being “anti-India” and “anti-Hindu”.

The messages have also included videos by far-right anti-Muslim activists and have raised fears they are attempting to exploit tensions between British Pakistanis and Indians, as well as different religious groups.

One message said: “The Labour party is now the mouth-piece of the Pakistani government … It is anti-India, anti-Hindu and anti-[Indian prime minister Narendra] Modi. So if there are any Indians who are still voting for Labour, or are still members of the Labour party – then respectfully I say, they are traitors to their ancestral land, to their family and friends in India and to their cultural heritage.”

 

[abelard]

Its them Tories again....

Straight from Failed Racist Zac Goldsmith's playbook

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Fornicate me.

That is insane.

Its completely insane.

In any normal world Johnson so easily blatantly lying would crucify the campaign.

I'm going to go out on a limb and think this video cock-up will actually stick. If Labour or the others were halfway decent theyd use this constantly to batter him.

 

[tsubaki]

Straight from Failed Racist Zac Goldsmith's playbook

That was only "vote Labour and the muslims will pinch your gold"; this is (at least if that report is believed) the Tories openly being assisted by a party that carries out pogroms.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Wouldnt blame her. Its not like its a secret the SNP wants out of the UK. If the fools in England and the HOC ferment the perfect storm for her, she would be nuts not to take advantage.

It would really be the devils pact. You sign up with the SNP for supply and confidence and as part of that they get a 2nd indy vote, and if they win that they'll abandon parliament and leave you with a minority. Great stuff.

 

[dannyboy]

Its completely insane.

In any normal world Johnson so easily blatantly lying would crucify the campaign.

I'm going to go out on a limb and think this video cock-up will actually stick. If Labour or the others were halfway decent theyd use this constantly to batter him.

The Trump phenomenon has kicked in with Johnson. There is a large percentage of people who have already decided they are going to vote for him no matter happens. Unfortunately, facts aren´t important.

 

[peteblue]

Again Pete, optimism is useful provided you can deliver on it otherwise it becomes toxic and you have nothing but your giddy optinism to suggest that Boris will be a good leader.

Great leaders make you feel, they unite people around a common belief and purpose. Telling people the purpose is one thing, when it actually is 'serve my interests' will end spectacularly badly.

I just hope he doesn't hurt you too badly.

Great Leaders know a direction, good managers help them achieve it....Starmer is in the latter group....Boris is in the former....

 

[peteblue]

Curious as to why you think that Pete? Have never thought about it to be honest (weather effecting an election I mean).

Because older people tend to be more determined than younger people. Age tends to give one a sense of responsibility, youth tends to do whatever is happening that night......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Great Leaders know a direction, good managers help them achieve it....Starmer is in the latter group....Boris is in the former....

Despite his racist indiscretions Pete or in light of?

 

[peteblue]

Despite his racist indiscretions Pete or in light of?

Great Leaders always have some form of failing. Boris has indiscretions, Corbyn has an Israeli racist viewpoint...

 

[Charlie Sweet]

It would really be the devils pact. You sign up with the SNP for supply and confidence and as part of that they get a 2nd indy vote, and if they win that they'll abandon parliament and leave you with a minority. Great stuff.

Crazy isnt it. Scottish independence pretty much guarantees unopposed right wing governments for the next 20 years.

Great Leaders know a direction, good managers help them achieve it....Starmer is in the latter group....Boris is in the former....

But Pete - this latest Johnson video about his (wrong) interpretation of the Irish sea customs arrangements proves the flaw in you admiring that former categort. Johnson is full of bluster and hasnt an ounce of integrity and it's coming home to roost. How else do you explain that video? He doesnt know his onions!

Because older people tend to be more determined than younger people. Age tends to give one a sense of responsibility, youth tends to do whatever is happening that night......

I'd argue the Brexit vote showed the older generation in a very bad light. A sense of responsibility would have been to err on the side of caution and Remain. Do you not agree? Sure even if you think Leave is still a good option you would have to concede it is fraught with more risk than the status quo? You can still say you think it will be better in the long run and you're relying on instinct- but there's no brexiteer out there saying it will be devoid of risk.