Current Affairs The General Election

[roydo]

Curious as to why you think that Pete? Have never thought about it to be honest (weather effecting an election I mean).

I guess older folk have more time on their hands to get to a polling station than the younger generations. So if the weather is crap in the morning, they an decide too vote later on. Most working folk will generally vote after or before work, so if the weather is bad in their limited window, they might not bother.

That said, imagine if the election was yesterday? Not sure anyone would have voted in Sheffield and the surrounding areas. Not sure what happens then. Was it last year that we had the bad snow? Not a chance our polling station could have even opened.

 

[Minimeister]

So at what age do people not become arsed about the rest of society and start protecting their own personal interests?

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Don’t forget the financial incompetence from the previous government that drove all this.....

I didn't see any Labour MP's starring in this Pete?

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[Armaghtoffee]

I guess older folk have more time on their hands to get to a polling station than the younger generations. So if the weather is crap in the morning, they an decide too vote later on. Most working folk will generally vote after or before work, so if the weather is bad in their limited window, they might not bother.

That said, imagine if the election was yesterday? Not sure anyone would have voted in Sheffield and the surrounding areas. Not sure what happens then. Was it last year that we had the bad snow? Not a chance our polling station could have even opened.

Makes perfect sense that Roydo and it had never occurred to me before.

March ‘18 was the crazy snow here and everything stopped then, no way people could have been expected to go out. Well, it could be a good indicator as to just how politically engaged first time and younger voters are.

 

[roydo]

So at what age do people not become arsed about the rest of society and start protecting their own personal interests?

I dont think its unreasonable to start the thought process with "What about me" first. I guess some would say thats selfish, but dont care really. Like most people, I have cash in more than one game in play, including a child in the adult care system, a missus on benefits, and looking to retire (partially) in 4 months time.

So, I doubt very much that any party will seriously alter the adult care system or the benefit system in any meaningful way in the next months, but if one proposed to muck my pension plans up, I would deffo not vote for that, cos it could have a far wider impact than some tinkering with benefits on me.

So, if no one proposes what I dread, pension wise, then I can take a less Me Centric approach to the process. Pretty sure most have similar issues with all sorts of stuff.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I actually think the older people are more likely to turn up than those in their twenties tbh. Mind you millions use postal votes now anyway....

My daughter who is 21 (is like her mother) had no interest in politics, until Brexit and invigorated when Johnson came to power... If either have their way he has five weeks left and Brexit is finished.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So at what age do people not become arsed about the rest of society and start protecting their own personal interests?

If you look at most graphs it appears the tipping point is around mid forties when it switches from majority to Labour to majority to the Tories.

I don't think it is a lack of heart, most would want the NHS and social care to be better and would probably be happy to pay a bit more tax to cover it. However it is quite understandable to try and protect what you have built up, you can only imagine what the inheritance tax would be if the core labour party had their way.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Peter Oborne has started a liveblog of Boris Johnson's lies:

Political Lies - Lies, Falsehoods and Misrepresentations from Boris Johnson to Keir Starmer

Discover the truth behind UK politics with our comprehensive database of lies, falsehoods, and misrepresentations by politicians. Stay informed and hold leaders accountable with our fact-checked reports and detailed analyses.

boris-johnson-lies.com

It's pretty full already.

If you look at Trump though, it doesn't matter at all. Indeed, you could argue that he's lying on purpose to show both that he can, and that the 'elite' he claims to be railing against are powerless to stop him. If you look at the behaviour of dictators like Trump and Putin, they frequently lie about the most easily provable things, so it's clear they're doing it as a deliberate power play. The liberal world will tut and say how dreadful, but to date the displeasure has proved rather toothless in getting rid of the swine.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If you look at Trump though, it doesn't matter at all. Indeed, you could argue that he's lying on purpose to show both that he can, and that the 'elite' he claims to be railing against are powerless to stop him. If you look at the behaviour of dictators like Trump and Putin, they frequently lie about the most easily provable things, so it's clear they're doing it as a deliberate power play. The liberal world will tut and say how dreadful, but to date the displeasure has proved rather toothless in getting rid of the swine.

It's the mindset that 'hes just doing it to rile the libs'.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's the mindset that 'hes just doing it to rile the libs'.

There is an element of that to it, yeah. Trolling the west has pretty much been Putin's stock and trade over the past few years, but the west has become largely powerless to do anything about him, which is kinda his point.

 

[tsubaki]

There is an element of that to it, yeah. Trolling the west has pretty much been Putin's stock and trade over the past few years, but the west has become largely powerless to do anything about him, which is kinda his point.

Not so much largely powerless as entirely unwilling. There are loads of things we could have done to Putin - asset freezes, travel bans, boosting Ukraine and its armed forces, organizing a few more "accidents" like this in Syria, emboldening the internal opposition to him, continuing to expand the EU etc - and we had loads of justification to do so (MH-17 being the biggest).

We have chosen to do nothing, so its not hard to see why he keeps trolling us.

 

[LEONARD]

Nicola Sturgeon would make a pact with Mephistopheles, if she felt it would lead to another vote on independence.

 

[roydo]

Nicola Sturgeon would make a pact with Mephistopheles, if she felt it would lead to another vote on independence.

Wouldnt blame her. Its not like its a secret the SNP wants out of the UK. If the fools in England and the HOC ferment the perfect storm for her, she would be nuts not to take advantage.

 

[Jebus_lives]

There is an element of that to it, yeah. Trolling the west has pretty much been Putin's stock and trade over the past few years, but the west has become largely powerless to do anything about him, which is kinda his point.

It's a strategy that Putin and Trump have used effectively. Make false statements and lie to muddy the waters so much that people can't keep track of what's true and what's false.

Seems to be quite effective.

 

[Jebus_lives]

More from the PM. He's a pub bore running the country...