Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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It is because of my first hand experience and knowledge from an international perspective that allows me to comment....

I think it’s more likely it’s your inbuilt bias and inability to look beyond your narrow world view. Your belief in a xenophobic trope suggests that, even if this isn’t another wee exaggeration, you’re a bit of a fool.
 
And normally the government would get the blame. Certainly May was getting the blame and from people such as myself too. The deal has changed slightly though, which is why the DUP and ERG are now on different sides and the DUP May work with Labour and not the Tories. Boris has changed the dynamics, he got the EU to open negotiations when everyone else said it was impossible and with parliament doing everything they could to cut him off at the knees, and he is now seen as the Champion of an EU deal. The blame has shifted to those that are stopping a deal and actually making no deal more likely. He will come out of this smelling of roses and Corbyn will be up to his neck in the smelly stuff.....just an opinion....

Of course he got the EU to open negotiations; he has given them Northern Ireland.
 
I’m pleased you live a good life as you wish in the EU country you want. It was your choice. Why then would you deny those of us who do not wish to be in the EU what we chose ?..........
I said I live a frugal life (but prefer it to a hectic one).
If you do not wish to live in an EU country, then move! Go to USA that you seem to admire so much, or to Australia or Arabia or Israel.
Don't take away the rights of Brits to live and work in our part of the world - Europe.
 
He was Chief Business Man to Big British Dead Good Company specialising in Old Fashioned Nonsense

I like to think of pete as being like one of the early leaders of the East India Company, forever sending out outraged missives to Bombay questioning why they were drinking so much wine and why on earth the 100 diseased men the Company was paying bottom dollar for hadn't defeated the million-strong Mughal army.
 
I like to think of pete as being like one of the early leaders of the East India Company, forever sending out outraged missives to Bombay questioning why they were drinking so much wine and why on earth the 100 diseased men the Company was paying bottom dollar for hadn't defeated the million-strong Mughal army.
Ha ha. unfortunately I think he may take that as a compliment
 
I’m a conspiracy theorist... I believe Johnson knows this won’t get through... he knows Farage will play to the Brexit gallery as usual and between them they’ve agreed to play it out this way so we get a GE... the leave vote will be split between bxt and Tory but these two bellends will already have agreed to come together to form a coalition and then leave with no deal... Farage gets his hard Brexit and Boris gets his paymasters a huge payday
This has been my belief for some time Kurt and I posted pretty much this over a month ago. Everything Johnson has done since he became PM has been to this end, including the seemingly ridiculous decision to prorogue Parliament for 5 weeks (knowing he would force the opposition to bring what became the Benn bill) when it wouldn't have sat anyway for most of it due to the party conferences. The only thing I didn't predict was that he would actually get a deal agreed with the EU, and I think this probably came as a shock to Johnson too.

The next stage will be for the remain driven opposition to disrupt the passing of the withdrawal bill to such an extent that the Govt will give up and go for an election. Parliament will be unable to prevent this as the EU would make this a condition of any extension which it will have to accept to avoid crashing out with no deal. Johnson, knowing full well the threat from the Brexit party, will agree to a pre election pact with them. Farage has already offered this olive branch as we know, so Brexit will not fight the Tory seats, just the rest of them including up in Scotland where 38% voted to leave remember. If there's one thing we've learned about Johnson so far it's that stupid is not one of his many objectionable traits.

And it isn't just Farage playing to the Brexit gallery. Boris Johnson has been playing up to the Labour Brexit voters since he became PM. Few of them would consider voting Tory, but the same cannot be said of the BP, and many Brexit minded Tories in those constituencies wouldn't think twice abut voting for Farages party either. Let's be honest, Tory votes in traditional Labour strongholds are pretty much a wasted vote anyway.

If the next general election happens before Brexit has been sorted, I don't think it will completely be a single issue election, but nevertheless Brexit will still be at the forefront of most peoples minds. The remain vote will be split but the leave vote won't as the BP and Tories will not be competing with each other. And although the referendum result was pretty close at 52%/48%, when split on parliamentary constituencies that becomes around 70%/30% in leaves favour.

And here's the thing. If the Tories and the BP do get in bed together, as I suspect they will and your conspiracy theory suggests, then you can forget Johnsons latest deal with the EU. The future Brexit will be driven by the BP who are demanding we leave on WTO rules, payback for which will be BP MPs backing the right wing Tories Govt in implementing whatever policy they chose. The chances are they will have sufficient majority to do whatever they want, and the irony is that the remain seeking MPs will have facilitated this by voting down this latest Brexit deal.

I truly believe that this latest withdrawal agreement is the last, and unexpected, chance that Parliament has to avoid a no deal Brexit. I hope that enough of the Labour leave MPs also see this and have the foresight to help vote it through.
 
We had a referendum, the U.K. voted to leave. I don’t think he would have any problem in having a referendum on No Deal or Boris’ deal. The problem is that Remainers always wish to go back to the original question. So again ? Parliament could have voted today, refused as expected, but why did remainers not want a vote ?....

We had a General Election in 2017.

We had one in 2015 as well.

Both produced very different results.

We are due to have another one in 2022.

So people’s minds change in less than the three and a bit years since the Referendum.

It is now too distant to be regarded as nowt more than a snapshot of where we were in what seems an eternity ago.

That is why there needs to be a fresh Referendum.

And you are running scared because you know Brexit will be flushed down the toilet bowl, where it belongs.


#PeoplesVoteNow
 
Sajid Javid has written to MPs to tell them an economic impact assessment won’t be carried out

“My starting point is that agreeing the withdrawal agreement is self-evidently in our economic interest”

“Trust in democracy, and bringing an end to the division that has characterised this debate over the past three years, is something that cannot be measured solely through spreadsheets or impact assessments”

Unbelievable
 
Sajid Javid has written to MPs to tell them an economic impact assessment won’t be carried out

“My starting point is that agreeing the withdrawal agreement is self-evidently in our economic interest”

“Trust in democracy, and bringing an end to the division that has characterised this debate over the past three years, is something that cannot be measured solely through spreadsheets or impact assessments”

Unbelievable
They honestly think people are thick .....






Well I guess 17.4 million .....
 
I see that millionaire and USA resident Michael Caine has said that he would rather be poorer outside of the EU than richer inside it.........a prime example of someone who is not going to be affected by brexit in the slightest. I'm alright jack mentality, which is becoming increasingly prevelant in this country. So he is happy for other people to be made poorer as long as he is ok. Who cares about other peoples' hardships as long as I am still doing better than they are. A great fan of thatcher also who promoted the "greed is good"ethic in the 80s. Gordon Gecko would be proud.
 
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