Current Affairs The General Election

[tsubaki]

...all the analysis and arguments only pander to the converted. Labour should have shifted Corbyn a long time ago, simply because he’s not popular. Labour party Governance is run by Momentum, it appeals to the few and not the many. I desperately want a Labour Government, but I shake my head when I see how it’s run.

The Austin interview will probably have more of a negative impact.

How does that make sense, though? Without accurate knowledge of a person or group has said or done its impossible to make a judgment call about that person or group and about how valid criticism of it is. Everyone should be concerned that what they are being told is actually true, otherwise we end up in the sort of mess that we are currently neck deep in.

This shown with the point you make about Momentum which is certainly wrong in terms of what I know locally and probably wrong nationally (at least judging by how many non-Momentum backed candidates were selected to be PPCs).

However it is what the media have gone around telling everyone, so only people who care should disagree with it?

 

[flibbyflob]

Fed up of it already, roll on December 13th.

 

[Number_25]

think Corbyn is smashing it personally, ive been very critical in the past of him too

Not a huge fan of him, but he does know how to campaign.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Because the Daily Mail and The Sun tell them to be.

Oh my. It's a good job you're a free thinker who can guide the rest of us sheep to the promised land.

 

[peteblue]

I’m avoiding political debate or trying to Pete but I heard grieve yesterday saying that Johnson was manifestly unfit for high office . Im Guessing you don’t give that the same credence whilst others are the opposite .

I didn’t give any credence to it, just reported it as written. But you raise a fair point. However, I’m not aware of anything the Labour guy would gain by speaking out, Grieve on the other hand is trying to save his own job.....

 

[davek]

Tories fighting an election on spending to invest in people.

Right on Labour's terms.

 

[peteblue]

...as will I, but that won’t be enough. Labour need to be clever and attract non-Labour voters. John McDonnell currently doing a fine job launching the finance campaign.

£400Bn.....did he mention where that was coming from.....

 

[dannyboy]

£400Bn.....did he mention where that was coming from.....

More interested to hear how the Tories are going to square public investment and tax cuts for the richest in society. All this with the economic downturn from Brexit that their own sources have predicted.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

£400Bn.....did he mention where that was coming from.....

Borrowing.

 

[Blue 1]

They are all lying bastards tbh. The only difference is in how egregious the lies are. I've had pretty much enough. Roll on December 13th.

 

[Blues Harp]

...possibly, but those views only appeal to folk who will vote Labour anyway. Labour can’t be insular, they have to appeal to non-Labour supporters.

That interview with Ian Austin is powerful will be used by the Tory’s. It will have a negative impact, a truly damaging blow. The Tory’s have had a poor start, Labour probably having a worst one now. The Ian Austin interview being played and played by Sky.

It’s not surprising Corbyn is a millstone around Labour’s neck, just when we need a strong Labour Party.

Who would you have as leader then?

 

[davids]

...possibly, but those views only appeal to folk who will vote Labour anyway. Labour can’t be insular, they have to appeal to non-Labour supporters.

That interview with Ian Austin is powerful will be used by the Tory’s. It will have a negative impact, a truly damaging blow. The Tory’s have had a poor start, Labour probably having a worst one now. The Ian Austin interview being played and played by Sky.

It’s not surprising Corbyn is a millstone around Labour’s neck, just when we need a strong Labour Party.

It'll have an impact if people don't look behind the headline and see Austin for the snake he is.

 

[davids]

This has it backwards quite a bit; anyone who claims to be a Labour centrist has no reason to like Watson. The left can at least say he helped get rid of Blair.

Also, Ian Austin is a disgrace.

Made me sick to listen to that traitor.If people don't see him and Watson for what they truly are I fear for the future of the UK.

 

[Harryflashman]

I didn’t give any credence to it, just reported it as written. But you raise a fair point. However, I’m not aware of anything the Labour guy would gain by speaking out, Grieve on the other hand is trying to save his own job.....

you didn’t Pete but my guess is you broadly agree with the sentiments ? Unless you routinely quote politicians without comment you vehemently disagree with . If I’m wrong and you have an array of such quotes my apologies .

people on all sides are pointing out faults and settling scores be that on Johnson , Corbyn or farage. If you’re going to do it then now is surely the time isn’t it ?

it’ll certainly be interesting to see how the election plays out . Wasn’t long ago I was reading about a farage landslide now he’s not even standing himself . Then it was w huge Tory majority but that seems to have been walked back , personally given the inevitable loses in Scotland I just can’t see it personally but who knows . My own opinion is we’ll end up with something vaguely similar to what we’ve got now although I’m not convinced the tories will have the ship hand .

As an avid politics watcher and reader whatever else it is it’s fascinating .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It'll have an impact if people don't look behind the headline and see Austin for the snake he is.

Evidence enough why sittings all MPs need to be democratically reselected on regular basis. Often said stick your colour Rosette in an area and people will just vote for them.