Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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:lol: war veterans? Heavens. Yes, I personally propose we kick them all in the nuts as a sign of gratitude. The fact is that people are living considerably longer than they were, and that demographically there are far more older people now than there were in the past. This has meant that the worker/retiree ratio has changed overwhelmingly since the state pension was introduced, and people are living longer in retirement. Older folk are also the biggest users of the NHS, and our lifestyles mean they are living longer with various chronic conditions that require frequent usage of the NHS.

Couple that with the shifting wealth of society that sees young people today the first generation in history less likely to be better off than the generation before them, it's perhaps not a big ask to request wealthy older people to contribute more to the burden their placing on the state. But that doesn't happen. Even under austerity for everyone else, the state pension was triple locked, and retirement age continues to grow at a slower pace than life expectancy, all while wealthy pensioners like Pete continue to get freebies like tv licenses and bus travel.

With regards to your question, I'm 40, and unless things change I don't expect there to be a state pension when I get to retirement age as it will be wholly unsustainable and the government won't be able to afford it. Also, just as a reminder, paying taxes all your life is irrelevant, as the pension isn't paid for out of your lifetime of taxes, but out of the taxes of those working in the current time. You don't pay into a pension pot as you would a private pension. It doesn't work like that. It's a ponzi scheme basically, that relies upon enough tax payers to foot the bill.

Not only is the state pension a ponzi scheme as you describe, but also all public pensions. teachers and policemen think their pension contributions are being invested on into a pot on their behalf are mistaken. Their current "pension contributions" are just a part of the overall tax intake that is used to fund current expenditures.
 
Not only is the state pension a ponzi scheme as you describe, but also all public pensions. teachers and policemen think their pension contributions are being invested on into a pot on their behalf are mistaken. Their current "pension contributions" are just a part of the overall tax intake that is used to fund current expenditures.

Then its a good job that teachers and policemen don't actually think that. They think their pension is part of their compensation package for them signing up to do the job, and they are right.
 
Then its a good job that teachers and policemen don't actually think that. They think their pension is part of their compensation package for them signing up to do the job, and they are right.

Correct, it is a part of their overall package.. but in terms of the public finances its an unfunded liability.
 
Correct, it is a part of their overall package.. but in terms of the public finances its an unfunded liability.

Not really - for a start, many public sector pensions come with fairly hefty contributions so a sizeable chunk of the overall cost is funded from that source. Secondly it isn't as if the state has just clicked its fingers and created the liability (in the way that the state pension has been protected); the cost of these employees is all accounted for and of course the state gets something in return for it (decades of service).
 
There’s a point in there somewhere. Labour certainly do need to find a way to reconnect with the working class outside of the cities, and I think they need to appeal to them in the current political climate, which will be difficult, and prove to them that spending money on the things which will improve their lives isn’t some kind of fantasy which they have been led to believe over the last 10 years.

Despite this, the Tory party do not represent the working class in our country.

they do now.....
 
Proportional Representation is not just a Labour: Conservative issue. Our whole system is really unrepresentative:

Party
Votes
% Cast
% Electorate
Seats
% Seats
Votes per seat
Conservative 13,966,451
43.94%​
29.35%​
365​
56.15%​
38,264.25
Labour 10,269,076
32.31%​
21.58%​
203​
31.23%​
50,586.58
Scottish National Party 1,242,380
3.91%​
2.61%​
48​
7.38%​
25,882.92
Liberal Democrat 3,969,423
12.49%​
8.34%​
11​
1.69%​
360,856.64
Democratic Ulster Unionists 244,127
0.77%​
0.51%​
8​
1.23%​
30,515.88
Sinn Fein 181,853
0.57%​
0.38%​
7​
1.08%​
25,979.00
Plaid Cymru 153,265
0.48%​
0.32%​
4​
0.62%​
38,316.25
Social Democratic & Labour Party 118,737
0.37%​
0.25%​
2​
0.31%​
59,368.50
Green 865,697
2.72%​
1.82%​
1​
0.15%​
865,697.00
Alliance Party 134,115
0.42%​
0.28%​
1​
0.15%​
134,115.00
The Brexit Party 642,323
2.02%​
1.35%​
0​
0.00%​
n/a
(others about 400,000)
31,787,447
66.80%​
650​
100.00%​
48,904
average per seat
Registered voters 47,587,254
Turnout
67.3%​
 
Proportional Representation is not just a Labour: Conservative issue. Our whole system is really unrepresentative:

Party
Votes
% Cast
% Electorate
Seats
% Seats
Votes per seat
Conservative 13,966,451
43.94%​
29.35%​
365​
56.15%​
38,264.25
Labour 10,269,076
32.31%​
21.58%​
203​
31.23%​
50,586.58
Scottish National Party 1,242,380
3.91%​
2.61%​
48​
7.38%​
25,882.92
Liberal Democrat 3,969,423
12.49%​
8.34%​
11​
1.69%​
360,856.64
Democratic Ulster Unionists 244,127
0.77%​
0.51%​
8​
1.23%​
30,515.88
Sinn Fein 181,853
0.57%​
0.38%​
7​
1.08%​
25,979.00
Plaid Cymru 153,265
0.48%​
0.32%​
4​
0.62%​
38,316.25
Social Democratic & Labour Party 118,737
0.37%​
0.25%​
2​
0.31%​
59,368.50
Green 865,697
2.72%​
1.82%​
1​
0.15%​
865,697.00
Alliance Party 134,115
0.42%​
0.28%​
1​
0.15%​
134,115.00
The Brexit Party 642,323
2.02%​
1.35%​
0​
0.00%​
n/a
(others about 400,000)
31,787,447
66.80%​
650​
100.00%​
48,904
average per seat
Registered voters 47,587,254
Turnout
67.3%​
It's never gonna happen
 
Proportional Representation is not just a Labour: Conservative issue. Our whole system is really unrepresentative:

Party
Votes
% Cast
% Electorate
Seats
% Seats
Votes per seat
Conservative 13,966,451
43.94%​
29.35%​
365​
56.15%​
38,264.25
Labour 10,269,076
32.31%​
21.58%​
203​
31.23%​
50,586.58
Scottish National Party 1,242,380
3.91%​
2.61%​
48​
7.38%​
25,882.92
Liberal Democrat 3,969,423
12.49%​
8.34%​
11​
1.69%​
360,856.64
Democratic Ulster Unionists 244,127
0.77%​
0.51%​
8​
1.23%​
30,515.88
Sinn Fein 181,853
0.57%​
0.38%​
7​
1.08%​
25,979.00
Plaid Cymru 153,265
0.48%​
0.32%​
4​
0.62%​
38,316.25
Social Democratic & Labour Party 118,737
0.37%​
0.25%​
2​
0.31%​
59,368.50
Green 865,697
2.72%​
1.82%​
1​
0.15%​
865,697.00
Alliance Party 134,115
0.42%​
0.28%​
1​
0.15%​
134,115.00
The Brexit Party 642,323
2.02%​
1.35%​
0​
0.00%​
n/a
(others about 400,000)
31,787,447
66.80%​
650​
100.00%​
48,904
average per seat
Registered voters 47,587,254
Turnout
67.3%​

You will remember of course that AV was thrown out by 68% of the voters in a referendum just 8 years ago. FPTP delivers a strong government which is why we kept it......
 
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