Current Affairs The General Election

[NilSatisOptimum]

Christ, is Sunday spoon feeding day?

Neither Greene or you can explain what is meant by Greene when he stated purchasing piece of mind for those who can afford it... What of those who cannot afford this insurance?

Its a simple question which you are now deliberately filibustering.

And when the man starts being played rather than the ball, its job done...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Neither Greene or you can explain what is meant by Greene when he stated purchasing piece of mind for those who can afford it... What of those who cannot afford this insurance?

Its a simple question which you are now deliberately filibustering.

And when the man starts being played rather than the ball, its job done...

Good lord. It's a surcharge on national insurance to provide guaranteed care for all in old age. It's not that hard. Have you even read the think tank paper that proposed it?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/190426143506-DamianGreenSocialCareFinal.pdf if you wanted. Then you might not need to bother me about something neither of us have read.

 

[nsno-chris]

https://www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/190426143506-DamianGreenSocialCareFinal.pdf if you wanted. Then you might not need to bother me about something neither of us have read.

is that the same report that recommends removing the winter allowance for those wealthier pensioners of society??

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Mr Corbyn said: "We now need to listen to the voices of those in Stoke and Scunthorpe, Blyth and Bridgend, Grimsby and Glasgow, who didn't support Labour."


Maybe listening to them before they voted would have been a more sensible option

Read a piece today in the mirror about a shadow cabinet secretary that basically told him at every meeting for 3 years that the stance on brexit was going to be a disaster for the party, and Corbyn, Starmer, McDonnell wouldn't listen.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Mr Corbyn said: "We now need to listen to the voices of those in Stoke and Scunthorpe, Blyth and Bridgend, Grimsby and Glasgow, who didn't support Labour."


Maybe listening to them before they voted would have been a more sensible option

And what were they saying? ‘Too many foreigners claiming benefits and let’s make Britain great again?’

 

[Bruce Wayne]

is that the same report that recommends removing the winter allowance for those wealthier pensioners of society??

No idea mate, I haven't read it.

 

[tsubaki]

Read a piece today in the mirror about a shadow cabinet secretary that basically told him at every meeting for 3 years that the stance on brexit was going to be a disaster for the party, and Corbyn, Starmer, McDonnell wouldn't listen.

TBF if Labour had backed Leave and lost seats in London but kept those in the North, I am 100% sure that shadow cabinet secretary would have been saying exactly the same thing.

 

[jaycee]

And what were they saying? ‘Too many foreigners claiming benefits and let’s make Britain great again?’

Basically that Jimmy,its a myth that certain parts of the media have projected

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

TBF if Labour had backed Leave and lost seats in London but kept those in the North, I am 100% sure that shadow cabinet secretary would have been saying exactly the same thing.

They just had to stick to their promise to honour the referendum, a lot of Labour remainer voters would have still voted Labour as that was the fair and decent thing to do, we had a referendum, they told people they'd honour it, then went back on that and it destroyed their vote.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Read a piece today in the mirror about a shadow cabinet secretary that basically told him at every meeting for 3 years that the stance on brexit was going to be a disaster for the party, and Corbyn, Starmer, McDonnell wouldn't listen.

The one thing McDonnell was spot on is that whatever way they went they would be alienating a part of their vote. By saying they'll get Brexit done too and with a younger support base (just look at the maps that show the votes by age) that mostly wanted to stay in the EU the result would have likely been just as bad, as those voters might have jumped to the Lib Dems.

Labour may have won the traditional seats but they would have plummeted in the rest.

 

[tsubaki]

They just had to stick to their promise to honour the referendum, a lot of Labour remainer voters would have still voted Labour as that was the fair and decent thing to do, we had a referendum, they told people they'd honour it, then went back on that and it destroyed their vote.

It should certainly have been argued better than it was. I'd have rather they pointed out to the negotiation time that the government had wasted, and the repeated votes by Johnson and the current leadership of the Tory Party to block Brexit. That way they could have at least argued that they would need time to do things properly.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

The one thing McDonnell was spot on is that whatever way they went they would be alienating a part of their vote. By saying they'll get Brexit done too and with a younger support base (just look at the maps that show the votes by age) that mostly wanted to stay in the EU the result would have likely been just as bad, as those voters might have jumped to the Lib Dems.

Labour may have won the traditional seats but they would have plummeted in the rest.

Just honour the referendum, like they said they would, people understand you have a vote and that decides things, not everybody can be happy with the outcome, but that's how democracy works.

I don't think a load of Labour remainers would have jumped ship to the Lib-Dems, some may have, but nowhere near the amount they lost by basically turning into a remain party.

 

[random]

And what were they saying? ‘Too many foreigners claiming benefits and let’s make Britain great again?’

Who knows, they weren't asked.

 

[Tubey]

The one thing McDonnell was spot on is that whatever way they went they would be alienating a part of their vote. By saying they'll get Brexit done too and with a younger support base (just look at the maps that show the votes by age) that mostly wanted to stay in the EU the result would have likely been just as bad, as those voters might have jumped to the Lib Dems.

Labour may have won the traditional seats but they would have plummeted in the rest.

To be fair they recognised that, which is why they tried to play it down the middle. I maintain that Corbyn's Brexit position made perfect sense - the problem was the complete lack of ability to communicate it, because of how tragically inept Corbyn and his top team are.

Brexit is the smokescreen to the bigger problem though - as one MP said (can't remember who), on the doorstep for every one voter whose main problem was Brexit, there were five whose main problem was Corbyn and Momentum.

If Labour had come down firmly either on the side of leave with a deal or remain, they'd have still had that problem. Leavers would prefer Johnson to Corbyn and trust him more to deliver it, and Remainers like myself simply couldn't vote for Corbyn anyway even if it meant remaining.

The problem comes back to Corbyn and Momentum. They were and will continue to be electorally toxic, and there's still a massive misunderstanding and outright excuse making about why that election was lost.