Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%

  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%

  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%

  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%

  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%
  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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NilSatisOptimum said:
Going to enjoy not so bashful Tories defend their children's only hope of a housing deposit being spaved away on two tier social health care. :)
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What is inheritance tax then exactly? The threshold includes pretty much any family home in London, and Labour's plans would see that home taxed at 40%. That's okay though presumably? Similarly, my parents inherited the home of my grandparents, and Labour want to double the council tax they'd pay on that home, which again is presumably okay, even though it 'diminishes my hope of getting a deposit from the bank of mum and dad man'.

Being a leader is unfortunately about making decisions that aren't going to be popular. Labour instead tried to be the cool uncle who magicked money out of thin air instead. Carry on though, it woz all the medias fault after all.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Not a two tier social care system that buys piece of mind for those who can afford it that's for sure...:)
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What are you on about? Green isn't saying people will get different services. He's saying those with more money should pay more for their social care. It's literally the same soaking the rich that Labour seemed to hang their fiscal policies on. Wealthy pensioners clearly aren't as palatable to you as the fat cat bankers you believe would have funded the £400bn spending spree Labour had in mind.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
What are you on about? Green isn't saying people will get different services. He's saying those with more money should pay more for their social care. It's literally the same soaking the rich that Labour seemed to hang their fiscal policies on. Wealthy pensioners clearly aren't as palatable to you as the fat cat bankers you believe would have funded the £400bn spending spree Labour had in mind.
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Your making things up that are not in the interview.
So what piece of mind are those who can afford this charge getting?
Bare in mind, this piece of mind is not mentioned for those who cannot afford the charge...
 
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peteblue said:
But this is the problem. Labour only appeals to the poorer parts of the Cities, and London. For whatever reason, they have no appeal to those outside of Metropolitan areas, to the self employed, to the hard working people outside of the cities. They no longer represent the working class, they have been hijacked by Students, Champagne Socialists, Academia, Public employees and the luvvies, or the smugeratti as I saw written today.

That is fine of course if that is what they want to be, but they do not represent the working class, they represent the young, the intelligentsia, the smug in London and the arts....Labour has lost its way......
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There may be some truth in that, due to incredibly poor, weak leadership, but on every side there are things, hidden the Tories managed to hide theirs a lot better. Rees Mogg anyone, distancing themselves from their ally Farage . Labour are better and more successful when they claim the middle ground, like under Blair, when they go to the left, the electorate are terrified of them ability assisted by an incredibly right wing media. A mixture of Corbyn and his cronies were always totally unelectable and what turned out to be a single issue election, Brexit decided this election.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Joking aside though, this is a good example of the daftness of politics. They must all know that demographically we're in a bind, as the baby boomers enter retirement, get frail and need healthcare, whether in hospitals or in care facilities. It's no coincidence that spending on healthcare has gone up so much as so many more people are using it. Add to that the pensions situation that sees a budget the size of the NHS going out each year on state pensions, and you'd think maybe something needs to happen, especially as this is the first generation, possibly in history, that won't do better than the generation before. I'm fairly sure people across the political spectrum have grumbled that the baby boomers have grown rich on the kind of environment and opportunities that today's generation don't have.

Yet despite that, politicians are loathe to do anything but lick the arse of old people as they know full well that they will come out and vote in swathes in a way that the frankly pathetic 'youth quake' has illustrated, the young do not. So you have a problem that we've known exists for blooming ages, and the fear of upsetting the older demographic is compounded by the constant fear mongering among any that do so. May's frankly ridiculously monikered 'dementia tax' is a prime example. The absurd pandering to the WASPI movement is another where politics got in the way of common sense.
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Well those boomers are bastions of common sense, so I think we can trust whatever they think is best. The only concern is with an ever aging population is whatever they do they just need to make sure they don't cut off immigrants coming to the UK to keep the taxes and economy going else they'll be no social care left and they'll be left to rot in their own mess.

...THEY DID WHAT??? UNBELIEVABLE JEFF!
 
Tea_drinker said:
Apparently johnson is a working class hero now. Truly sickening. All the Tories have done is manipulate idiots via the media.
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He'll enjoy his day in the sun, but as always actions speak louder than words. Let's see the impact Brexit has on these small northern towns and hope if it isn't desirable that the people realise they've been spun a pack of lies.
 
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