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[peteblue]

As @Connor pointed out, at least we can see through the Tory lies. Well done Liverpool.

But this is the problem. Labour only appeals to the poorer parts of the Cities, and London. For whatever reason, they have no appeal to those outside of Metropolitan areas, to the self employed, to the hard working people outside of the cities. They no longer represent the working class, they have been hijacked by Students, Champagne Socialists, Academia, Public employees and the luvvies, or the smugeratti as I saw written today.

That is fine of course if that is what they want to be, but they do not represent the working class, they represent the young, the intelligentsia, the smug in London and the arts....Labour has lost its way......

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I know there are plenty who rave about Corbyn on here, but the funny thing is that after this election result he’ll go down in history as one of the worst Labour leaders.

 

[peteblue]

I know there are plenty who rave about Corbyn on here, but the funny thing is that after this election result he’ll go down in history as one of the worst Labour leaders.

And some of us foretold this right at the beginning......

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

And some of us foretold this right at the beginning......

I’m just waiting too be called stupid for suggesting what I did.

 

[Lelouch]

I know there are plenty who rave about Corbyn on here, but the funny thing is that after this election result he’ll go down in history as one of the worst Labour leaders.

He sure did fail but he damn sure opened some doors to the younger and future generations for future elections and politics.

 

[Kenshin]

I think what a lot of staunch Corbyn/labour supporters are missing is here the painstakingly obvious.

The fight for the NHS , the poor , the big companies etc that's a righteous fight. At the end of the day them standing up for those were completely fine and noone is going to argue with that. It's the fact that the party motivation and the leader were seen as the wrong people to be able to deliver that in a way that would be satisfactory.

I have people posting on Facebook blind to the point that noone wanted to elect Corbyn. Even moving away from the intricate details, people chose to vote against Corbyn , not the people they wanted to help. No matter what all these people say now about how it was rigged etc and how there was no way they lose in a fair fight.

I think that's the point everyone is missing. Labour lost badly because of Corbyn. The educated could see through his poor plan for the next 5 years , noone truely backed him as a prime minister and it is him and momentum that had set labour back 10 years.

Why can't people be allowed to have the choice for their own minds? When the option is one or the other, can't you want one without having to accept all that comes with it?

 

[Catfish Blues]

Im quite alarmed that people think earning 30k a year is accessible to everybody.

Try telling most manual labourers in the building trade that.

The median annual income in the UK, according to the most recent Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, is £28,677 for full-time employees.

Spot on.

Most labourers in the NW won't be on much above minimum wage, £10 an hour if they're lucky. Chances are, they won't be directly employed, so they'll do well to get 45 weeks a year in ... at 40 hours a week, that's 18k a year.

However ... a mate of mine is a brickie, and grosses 30k+ a year
Plasterers, if they go self-employed, can easily gross 40k+ a year.

Moral of the story, you don't need to be brain of Britain to earn a decent wage, but you do need learn a skill. So the aim needs to be to get people skilled up





... and, if we hadn't left the EU, let the Poles do the labouring.

 

[Seanjd]

But this is the problem. Labour only appeals to the poorer parts of the Cities, and London. For whatever reason, they have no appeal to those outside of Metropolitan areas, to the self employed, to the hard working people outside of the cities. They no longer represent the working class, they have been hijacked by Students, Champagne Socialists, Academia, Public employees and the luvvies, or the smugeratti as I saw written today.

That is fine of course if that is what they want to be, but they do not represent the working class, they represent the young, the intelligentsia, the smug in London and the arts....Labour has lost its way......

There’s a point in there somewhere. Labour certainly do need to find a way to reconnect with the working class outside of the cities, and I think they need to appeal to them in the current political climate, which will be difficult, and prove to them that spending money on the things which will improve their lives isn’t some kind of fantasy which they have been led to believe over the last 10 years.

Despite this, the Tory party do not represent the working class in our country.

 

[Groucho]

Down with the right.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That did not take long, uncle Trump say Hiya... You won't have to sell your home just release it's equity, no more bank of mum and dad!

Tory MP calls for social care insurance for ‘those who can afford it’

A longstanding Conservative MP has alarmed listeners by saying that in order to properly fund social care, he advocates an insurance...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That did not take long, uncle Trump say Hiya... You won't have to sell your home just release it's equity, no more bank of mum and dad!

Tory MP calls for social care insurance for ‘those who can afford it’

A longstanding Conservative MP has alarmed listeners by saying that in order to properly fund social care, he advocates an insurance...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

National Insurance: introduction

National Insurance - your National Insurance number, how much you pay, National Insurance rates and classes, check your contributions record.

www.gov.uk

Ooooooh, a tax that's called insurance. Nooooooo.

 

[Big_nev]

Straight from the Donald Trump playbook.

 

[zzr45]

That did not take long, uncle Trump say Hiya... You won't have to sell your home just release it's equity, no more bank of mum and dad!

Tory MP calls for social care insurance for ‘those who can afford it’

A longstanding Conservative MP has alarmed listeners by saying that in order to properly fund social care, he advocates an insurance...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

Scene: A Labour supporter before the election:
‘I think we need more money for services, I would happily pay more taxes to get what we deserve.’ [Supporter noticeably bristles with smugness]

Cut to Post Election: A Conservative MP suggests a system that would allow people to do just that:

Labour Supporter: Arrrghhh! Stealth Tax! Donald Trump!

[END SCENE]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Scene: A Labour supporter before the election:
‘I think we need more money for services, I would happily pay more taxes to get what we deserve.’ [Supporter noticeably bristles with smugness]

Cut to Post Election: A Conservative MP suggests a system that would allow people to do just that:

Labour Supporter: Arrrghhh! Stealth Tax! Donald Trump!

[END SCENE]

Fairly sure Labour had a policy to raise inheritance tax as well that would have seen many Boomers hit due to the property wealth they had largely inadvertently accumulated.

Tax before they die bad. After they die good.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Joking aside though, this is a good example of the daftness of politics. They must all know that demographically we're in a bind, as the baby boomers enter retirement, get frail and need healthcare, whether in hospitals or in care facilities. It's no coincidence that spending on healthcare has gone up so much as so many more people are using it. Add to that the pensions situation that sees a budget the size of the NHS going out each year on state pensions, and you'd think maybe something needs to happen, especially as this is the first generation, possibly in history, that won't do better than the generation before. I'm fairly sure people across the political spectrum have grumbled that the baby boomers have grown rich on the kind of environment and opportunities that today's generation don't have.

Yet despite that, politicians are loathe to do anything but lick the arse of old people as they know full well that they will come out and vote in swathes in a way that the frankly pathetic 'youth quake' has illustrated, the young do not. So you have a problem that we've known exists for blooming ages, and the fear of upsetting the older demographic is compounded by the constant fear mongering among any that do so. May's frankly ridiculously monikered 'dementia tax' is a prime example. The absurd pandering to the WASPI movement is another where politics got in the way of common sense.