Current Affairs The General Election

[JimmyJeffers]

Basically that Jimmy,its a myth that certain parts of the media have projected

I agree entirely. Just find it daft, this line, that labour lost touch with their heartlands, when these places have been the brutal recipients of Tory cuts that has help fuel a racist landscape

 

[jaycee]

I agree entirely. Just find it daft, this line, that labour lost touch with their heartlands, when these places have been the brutal recipients of Tory cuts that has help fuel a racist landscape

Its a mixture of things Jimmy,I could give examples of people who arent racist but feel that they are ignored,a feeling that councils bend over backwards to help some people but not them,they blame the local council because thats the public face they see,look at BMD, a discussion to fund it via council and bring in £7m+ a year in revenue,the same ppl who scream that they are Socialist oppose it because something they dont like get help

 

[dannyboy]

To be fair they recognised that, which is why they tried to play it down the middle. I maintain that Corbyn's Brexit position made perfect sense - the problem was the complete lack of ability to communicate it, because of how tragically inept Corbyn and his top team are.

Brexit is the smokescreen to the bigger problem though - as one MP said (can't remember who), on the doorstep for every one voter whose main problem was Brexit, there were five whose main problem was Corbyn and Momentum.

If Labour had come down firmly either on the side of leave with a deal or remain, they'd have still had that problem. Leavers would prefer Johnson to Corbyn and trust him more to deliver it, and Remainers like myself simply couldn't vote for Corbyn anyway even if it meant remaining.

The problem comes back to Corbyn and Momentum. They were and will continue to be electorally toxic, and there's still a massive misunderstanding and outright excuse making about why that election was lost.

It really is so sad that you see Momentum as some dark, evil force in UK politics. I hope whoever is leader recognises the part they can play in bringing about a Labour government. They are brilliant organisers and have helped get a lot of people engaged in politics that otherwise wouldn't have been.

Also worth noting that whilst this election was a disaster the toxic Corbyn and Momentum got 40% of voters to say yes to them in 2017. If Labour get that share at the next election the new leader has done well? Agreed?

 

[Tubey]

It really is so sad that you see Momentum as some dark, evil force in UK politics. I hope whoever is leader recognises the part they can play in bringing about a Labour government. They are brilliant organisers and have helped get a lot of people engaged in politics that otherwise wouldn't have been.

Also worth noting that whilst this election was a disaster the toxic Corbyn and Momentum got 40% of voters to say yes to them in 2017. If Labour get that share at the next election the new leader has done well? Agreed?

No. Because if all of those votes are in metropolitan safe seats then it doesn't matter.

We live in a first past the post system, not a raw numbers one. It's the same as how it doesn't matter if you have 500,000 party members more than the Tories if you have nothing to do with anyone outside those people in the overall country.

Momentum are the one biggest factor stopping a Labour party ever being in power again. Their own worst enemy. Content to fail as long as they "stayed true" to their ideology while doing so. Perennial loser protesters.

 

[Chewbacca]

And what were they saying? ‘Too many foreigners claiming benefits and let’s make Britain great again?’

They usually started with “I’m not racist but .......”

 

[dannyboy]

No. Because if all of those votes are in metropolitan safe seats then it doesn't matter.

We live in a first past the post system, not a raw numbers one. It's the same as how it doesn't matter if you have 500,000 party members more than the Tories if you have nothing to do with anyone outside those people in the overall country.

Momentum are the one biggest factor stopping a Labour party ever being in power again. Their own worst enemy. Content to fail as long as they "stayed true" to their ideology while doing so. Perennial loser protesters.

But in 2017 the red wall was still intact so the votes were not just in Liverpool and London. Identifying a bunch of kids in an organisation that your average voter has never heard of as one of the biggest factors for Labour not getting back into power is poor analysis. Are they still a hindrance if they campaign for Starmer?

 

[nsno-chris]

But in 2017 the red wall was still intact so the votes were not just in Liverpool and London. Identifying a bunch of kids in an organisation that your average voter has never heard of as one of the biggest factors for Labour not getting back into power is poor analysis. Are they still a hindrance if they campaign for Starmer?

because they said they’d honour the referendum result. They then changed tact to support the twitter movement

 

[dannyboy]

because they said they’d honour the referendum result. They then changed tact to support the twitter movement

A complete disaster. For me, it is very worrying that the people who were calling loudest for the second referendum might get control of the party. I don't think they're the people to win those towns back.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A complete disaster. For me, it is very worrying that the people who were calling loudest for the second referendum might get control of the party. I don't think they're the people to win those towns back.

You either think Brexit will help those towns or you don't. If you don't, then did you do a good enough job of explaining why? Heaven knows the Lib Dems didn't do a good enough job, but it seemed that Labour were trying to ignore Brexit as much as humanly possible during the campaign in the hope that people wouldn't really notice.

 

[dannyboy]

You either think Brexit will help those towns or you don't. If you don't, then did you do a good enough job of explaining why? Heaven knows the Lib Dems didn't do a good enough job, but it seemed that Labour were trying to ignore Brexit as much as humanly possible during the campaign in the hope that people wouldn't really notice.

We were awful at explaining the benefits. The problem is, these people look at their run down communities and empty high streets and the EU is an easy scapegoat.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We were awful at explaining the benefits. The problem is, these people look at their run down communities and empty high streets and the EU is an easy scapegoat.

Indeed. It does feel that if you succumb to Brexit however then you're saying those assumptions are correct.

 

[dannyboy]

Indeed. It does feel that if you succumb to Brexit however then you're saying those assumptions are correct.

It would take a brave/stupid politician to bang the EU drum over the coming years. It is not enough to be right in this day and age. Even if Brexit is a disaster, I would caution any politician who thinks it a good idea to tell people 'I told you so'. Sadly, Dominic Cummings and friends have played a blinder and the opposition to them has been feeble.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It would take a brave/stupid politician to bang the EU drum over the coming years. It is not enough to be right in this day and age. Even if Brexit is a disaster, I would caution any politician who thinks it a good idea to tell people 'I told you so'. Sadly, Dominic Cummings and friends have played a blinder and the opposition to them has been feeble.

It's a done deal isn't it? The challenge now is to try and get as reasonable a withdrawal as possible and hold Johnson to his many promises on the matter.

 

[Cardano]

I’m genuinely still in a state of shock at the results, days after.

I can’t come to terms with the fact that former mining towns have elected Conservative MPs.

I feel a bit like I imagine someone living under a right wing military junta feels. We have a horrid disgusting government and there’s not a thing we can do about it. Opposition seems futile.

 

[havrey0123]

Shows the country represents the referendum result.
Even with corbyns (unrealistic) manifesto, which on paper was much better then Tories, they still said no.

The best bit was when the media asked both men whom will win. Boris said I hope we win. Corbyn said" you know what, were going to do it". He actually believed it aswell.