Current Affairs The General Election

[evilwebby]

Proportional Representation is not just a Labour: Conservative issue. Our whole system is really unrepresentative:

Party	Votes​	% Cast​	% Electorate​	Seats​	% Seats​	Votes per seat​
Conservative	13,966,451	43.94%​	29.35%​	365​	56.15%​	38,264.25
Labour	10,269,076	32.31%​	21.58%​	203​	31.23%​	50,586.58
Scottish National Party	1,242,380	3.91%​	2.61%​	48​	7.38%​	25,882.92
Liberal Democrat	3,969,423	12.49%​	8.34%​	11​	1.69%​	360,856.64
Democratic Ulster Unionists	244,127	0.77%​	0.51%​	8​	1.23%​	30,515.88
Sinn Fein	181,853	0.57%​	0.38%​	7​	1.08%​	25,979.00
Plaid Cymru	153,265	0.48%​	0.32%​	4​	0.62%​	38,316.25
Social Democratic & Labour Party	118,737	0.37%​	0.25%​	2​	0.31%​	59,368.50
Green	865,697	2.72%​	1.82%​	1​	0.15%​	865,697.00
Alliance Party	134,115	0.42%​	0.28%​	1​	0.15%​	134,115.00
The Brexit Party	642,323	2.02%​	1.35%​	0​	0.00%​	n/a
(others about 400,000)
	31,787,447	​	66.80%​	650​	100.00%​	48,904
						average per seat
Registered voters	47,587,254
Turnout	67.3%​

People forget that one of the most compelling arguments made against PR was that it would provide the extremist parties with far bigger representation in seats. People seem to coveniently dismiss that argument now that the UKIP/BRXT vote has receeded, but you can't change your mind on these things according to the flavour of the day.

 

[davids]

Pfft...those oldies thinking they have the democratic right to have a say.

I'm one of those oldies,but then I have more regard for those on zero hours contracts and Univesal Credit than for my own comfortable life, and fear that my grandchildren will end up in the same boat, to blight the country with a Tory majority that gives them carte blanche to carry on with the degradation of large parts of the population.I suppose really comes down to conscience,and whether or not you have one.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I'm one of those oldies,but then I have more regard for those on zero hours contracts and Univesal Credit tan for my own comfortable life, and fear that my grandchildren will end up in the same boat, to blight the country with a Tory majority that gives them carte blanche to carry on with the degradation of large parts of the population.I suppose really comes down to conscience,and whether or not you have one.

I'm a Labour supporter mate, always have been, always will be no matter what. I worry for my lad who is at John Moores, and I have a social conscious, but I can't sit there and slag an older person off because they voted for the Tories, I might vehemently disagree with them, but they will have their reasons for why they voted the way they did, just like I have my reasons for voting Labour all my life.

 

[tsubaki]

This is getting away from the debate about the election, but no... public pensions are not funded. Yes, our public servatns make their contributions, but the way the system is set up that money is not invested in anything. It simply goes towards the total tax reciept and used as the exchequer seets fit.. in exchange for the promise of a future payment which will be funded from the taxpayers of the future. Any system that relies on new participants to pay existing stakeholders is a ponzi.

I am not attacking our civil servants here. They pay into the system on the understanding that they'll get paid out in the future. It's the system that is corrupt and unsustainable.

It is not a Ponzi scheme; it is a contract between the state and those who work for it, the same as every other contract the state enters into. The pension is part of that contract.

The state has always known and has accounted for that fact it will have to fulfil it.

 

[Connor]

Banning strikes now are they? horrid rats.

Boris Johnson to announce four tough new laws this week

The Prime Minister has drawn up an expanded Queen's Speech which will present more legislation

inews.co.uk

 

[davids]

I'm a Labour supporter mate, always have been, always will be no matter what. I worry for my lad who is at John Moores, and I have a social conscious, but I can't sit there and [Poor language removed] an older person off because they voted for the Tories, I might vehemently disagree with them, but they will have their reasons for why they voted the way they did, just like I have my reasons for voting Labour all my life.

As I posted it's about social conscience in a certain age group.Lets not beat about the bush,this election was about Brexit (and immigration) for the majority of the population whatever Labour tried to say to the contrary and like it or not the older members of society don't embrace multiculturalism.
Although when there is nobody available to wipe their backsides they may very well change their minds.

 

[peteblue]

As I posted it's about social conscience in a certain age group.Lets not beat about the bush,this election was about Brexit (and immigration) for the majority of the population whatever Labour tried to say to the contrary and like it or not the older members of society don't embrace multiculturalism.
Although when there is nobody available to wipe their backsides they may very well change their minds.

That is absolute rubbish, but keep thinking like that and Labour will be out for decades.....

 

[davids]

That is absolute rubbish, but keep thinking like that and Labour will be out for decades.....

You still honestly don't think Brexit was about immigration?....Wow! Good luck with that Irish Border then.

 

[peteblue]

People forget that one of the most compelling arguments made against PR was that it would provide the extremist parties with far bigger representation in seats. People seem to coveniently dismiss that argument now that the UKIP/BRXT vote has receeded, but you can't change your mind on these things according to the flavour of the day.

Oh yes they can......

 

[catcherintherye]

they do now.....

The reality is, the Conservatives have always represented a section of the working class and continue to.

As always seems to happen after an election people like to make massive bold statements, like the Conservatives have gone from never representing the working class to doing so. Like Labour no longer representing the working class etc.

The Conservatives had a majority in big cities like Glasgow and Liverpool up to the early 1950's.

If you were going to honestly reflect the situation you would say in big cities the conservatives pull on the working class is very weak. However in smaller towns Labour's is very weak.

Amongst the generation of the over 55's the Conservatives are a very hegemonic party of the working class. If you take the under 40's they are a minority voice.

I still think the Conservatives will be concerned with the demographic pile up on them amongst younger generations. I remember similar in European countries with SD parties, and then pow, they all just collapsed. The Conservatives aren't immune to this and do have to consider this as a broader term strategy to heavily de-toxify. Don't be surprised if a Sajid Javid type figure takes over over next.

However the positive for them, is if they keep their promise of pumping money into public services, putting investment into regions etc they stand a good chance of keeping voters. They will need to increase taxes to be able to do this. Is this something they are prepared to do? I'm not sure.

If they take the voters for granted and don't deliver, they will be punished. The ball is firmly in their court now. Are they prepared to decisively break with Thatcherism and austerity?

 

[Blue 1]

Had a chat with one of the governers at my kids' school this morning. They're worried how the school is going to manage the re-election of the Tories. They are already stretched to the absolute limit. We live in a very poor area and the PTA finds it very hard to raise money, because nobody's got any.

There is a real divide growing between schools in affluent areas and poor areas because of Tory education cuts. The PTA of a school in a wealthy area can hold a fundraiser and bring in 5 figures, easily, and regularly. We're lucky if we get a couple of hundred.

 

[peteblue]

As I posted it's about social conscience in a certain age group.Lets not beat about the bush,this election was about Brexit (and immigration) for the majority of the population whatever Labour tried to say to the contrary and like it or not the older members of society don't embrace multiculturalism.
Although when there is nobody available to wipe their backsides they may very well change their minds.

You still honestly don't think Brexit was about immigration?....Wow! Good luck with that Irish Border then.

The Brexit referendum was about Brexit, and people voted one way or the other for a myriad of reasons. The delivery of the voted for Brexit was a key element of this election. The Conservative Party honoured the commitment to Leave and Labour put up a nonsense proposal designed to reverse the Brexit vote. Swinson went the whole hog to overturn Brexit and lost her seat. Corbyn was hammered in the Northern towns because they voted to Leave, with Corbyn having in 2017 promising to uphold the vote, then did his very best to stop it. This was a matter of trust, not multiculturalism. People don’t like having the mick taken out of them and being treated like idiots......

 

[peteblue]

The reality is, the Conservatives have always represented a section of the working class and continue to.

As always seems to happen after an election people like to make massive bold statements, like the Conservatives have gone from never representing the working class to doing so. Like Labour no longer representing the working class etc.

The Conservatives had a majority in big cities like Glasgow and Liverpool up to the early 1950's.

If you were going to honestly reflect the situation you would say in big cities the conservatives pull on the working class is very weak. However in smaller towns Labour's is very weak.

Amongst the generation of the over 55's the Conservatives are a very hegemonic party of the working class. If you take the under 40's they are a minority voice.

I still think the Conservatives will be concerned with the demographic pile up on them amongst younger generations. I remember similar in European countries with SD parties, and then pow, they all just collapsed. The Conservatives aren't immune to this and do have to consider this as a broader term strategy to heavily de-toxify. Don't be surprised if a Sajid Javid type figure takes over over next.

However the positive for them, is if they keep their promise of pumping money into public services, putting investment into regions etc they stand a good chance of keeping voters. They will need to increase taxes to be able to do this. Is this something they are prepared to do? I'm not sure.

If they take the voters for granted and don't deliver, they will be punished. The ball is firmly in their court now. Are they prepared to decisively break with Thatcherism and austerity?

I think Boris will deliver what he said he would...

 

[davids]

The Brexit referendum was about Brexit, and people voted one way or the other for a myriad of reasons. The delivery of the voted for Brexit was a key element of this election. The Conservative Party honoured the commitment to Leave and Labour put up a nonsense proposal designed to reverse the Brexit vote. Swinson went the whole hog to overturn Brexit and lost her seat. Corbyn was hammered in the Northern towns because they voted to Leave, with Corbyn having in 2017 promising to uphold the vote, then did his very best to stop it. This was a matter of trust, not multiculturalism. People don’t like having the mick taken out of them and being treated like idiots......

The key element of Brexit was immigration control which ever way you try to spin it. And control of immigration without a hard Irish Border? Someone has been sold a pup.

 

[Alan Whittle]

The Brexit referendum was about Brexit, and people voted one way or the other for a myriad of reasons. The delivery of the voted for Brexit was a key element of this election. The Conservative Party honoured the commitment to Leave and Labour put up a nonsense proposal designed to reverse the Brexit vote. Swinson went the whole hog to overturn Brexit and lost her seat. Corbyn was hammered in the Northern towns because they voted to Leave, with Corbyn having in 2017 promising to uphold the vote, then did his very best to stop it. This was a matter of trust, not multiculturalism. People don’t like having the mick taken out of them and being treated like idiots......

.... Oh yes, and Burnley, Sunderland, Blyth etc have fully embraced multi culturalism.lol