Current Affairs The General Election

[peteblue]

We’re not supposed to say it but it’s simply the truth, the overwhelming majority of people who voted leave did so because they don’t like foreigners, plain and simple.

Dress it up anyway you like but a large portion of our population are ill-educated bigots.

And you prove it with your posts.....

 

[Cardano]

And you prove it with your posts.....

Hmmm. I won’t respond to that directly.

Interesting though that there’s no attempt to argue or engage with the actual point.

 

[Alan Whittle]

So are we back onto the old Brexit = racist line. Were these Labour constituencies racist before or only after voting Conservative ?.....

Refusing to embrace multi culturalism doesn't make them racist, that just appears to be your somewhat defensive interpretation. I have not called them racist. You claim the GE result was all about Brexit and I agree. Of course part of that is about further immigration controls. I'm sure that people who want greater immigration controls are not racist in any way.

 

[peteblue]

Hmmm. I won’t respond to that directly.

Interesting though that there’s no attempt to argue or engage with the actual point.

We’ve done this to death over the last three years. There is also an argument that Remainers only want White EU nationals to come to the U.K. while Leavers want to stop this and open up the doors to the World. Claiming that the majority of Leave voters, therefore a minimum of 9,000,000 people, don’t like foreigners is both lazy and stupid.....

 

[Alan Whittle]

There is also an argument that Remainers only want White EU nationals to come to the U.K. while Leavers want to stop this and open up the doors to the World.

Only in your head.

 

[peteblue]

Refusing to embrace multi culturalism doesn't make them racist, that just appears to be your somewhat defensive interpretation. I have not called them racist. You claim the GE result was all about Brexit and I agree. Of course part of that is about further immigration controls. I'm sure that people who want greater immigration controls are not racist in any way.

Do you assume that no Remain voter wants immigration controls. Is it only Remainers who are virtuous, or is it only Remainers who are frightened of getting out of Europe and working with the world. I’m sure that people who want to stay cocooned within a predominantly White Europe are not racist in any way.....

 

[Cardano]

We’ve done this to death over the last three years. There is also an argument that Remainers only want White EU nationals to come to the U.K. while Leavers want to stop this and open up the doors to the World. Claiming that the majority of Leave voters, therefore a minimum of 9,000,000 people, don’t like foreigners is both lazy and stupid.....

Mate, come on.

To suggest that the theory that Remainers only want white immigration has the same plausibility of the claim that the majority of leavers don’t like immigrants is just insane. In fact, this is honestly the first time I’ve heard that claim.

I’m not saying all leavers. And I’m definitely not casting aspersions about you - i don’t know you and haven’t read a lot of your posts.

I accept there are some leavers who genuinely have issues with creeping federalism, and there are some on the left who have issues with the economic foundations of the EU

But they are a small minority. To deny that the leave vote was driven by pure bigotry is disingenuous.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Do you assume that no Remain voter wants immigration controls. Is it only Remainers who are virtuous, or is it only Remainers who are frightened of getting out of Europe and working with the world. I’m sure that people who want to stay cocooned within a predominantly White Europe are not racist in any way.....

We already have immigration controls. A points based system. Problem?

 

[LEONARD]

Can you blame me for voting Green, given this choice.


OR

 

[random]

Is it only Remainers who are virtuous

On GOT yes

 

[Catfish Blues]

The figures I quoted were based on my income and a loose average those who worked in manual labour positions in the company I worked for.
Downgrade the amounts if it makes you happier,but the point stands.

Miners on pensions voting for the Tories in areas with the most deprivation and the highest food bank usage,turns your stomach.But then it seems to have become an "I'm all right Jack" world considering the election result.

25/hour for manual labouring seems high to me, but fair enough, it's just semantics

But, I'm genuinely lost on the bit I've bolded. Miners voting Tory, saddens me, but it doesn't turn my stomach ( unless you meant it turns yours ? ), I totally understand why they did it. I typed the following before the election ( it was in response to another poster, not yourself, so the comments in it aren't aimed at you )

This is part of the reason why ordinary men and women will vote Tory to "Get Brexit Done".

They're sick and tired of being talked down to by those who consider themselves better in some way, so they then react in a knee jerk way. I truly hope you've never been out canvassing on the doorstop, because you'd be a bloody disaster !

Also, I'm a bit lost on the I'm all right Jack comment.

The ex-miners certainly don't seem to have voted Tory with an "I'm all right Jack" attitude, quite the reverse, they just seem to have got to the end of their tethers.

Doubtless a significant proportion of the electorate will have voted to purely look after number one, tis always has been the case.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

So are we back onto the old Brexit = racist line. Were these Labour constituencies racist before or only after voting Conservative ?.....

Pete, you told me on here that you wanted to leave because you don't like Germans.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Pete, you told me on here that you wanted to leave because you don't like Germans.

I think it's safe to say that Pete doesn't actually mean about 50% of the things he types in the political threads.

 

[Paris]

I’m not in denial. You, like many in here, are seeing things that aren’t there. You think you know what I’m saying, so you don’t actually read it and just imagine it to be more of how you think people are reacting.

Labour lost the election for many reasons, some policies that didn’t chime with people, the Brexit stance, a failure to take to Corbyn for genuine reasons, and a failure to take to Corbyn for manipulated reasons. There’s no excuses here, we lost, it didn’t work, we have to try something else.

Im not saying that labour lost the election because the entire electorate is stupid. I tried to make that clear by, you know, saying it, but asking people to read whole paragraphs is taxing I know. That doesn’t mean, however, that none of the electorate is stupid, which was my point. There’s a load of people who want us to ignore the very simple fact that some people do and say very stupid things, and have no grasp of what they’re voting for. We have to listen and respect all of them according to you, even the ones who are clearly stupid. It’s ridiculous knee jerking, thinking that all these people are telling us something, when actually they just had no idea what they were doing.

I agree - there are stupid people out there. They are the ones who voted for Corbyn in two leadership elections, and voted for him in two General Elections and I include myself in that. I hold my hands up and say I was wrong and stupid.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I agree - there are stupid people out there. They are the ones who voted for Corbyn in two leadership elections, and voted for him in two General Elections and I include myself in that. I hold my hands up and say I was wrong and stupid.

This crisis wasn’t just down to Corbyn. He was in a very difficult position of trying to keep leave voters on his side whilst maintaining support of his remain MPs.
Think he shot himself in the foot more than a few times like. Above all, he was hoping that left wing domestic policies would take precedent over Brexit and he was wrong. Catastrophically so.
The tories were able to get in with just repeating the same line.
I have no regrets voting for Corbyn mind