Current Affairs The General Election

[dholliday]

Labour needs intellect rather than clones.

yes. hence why Starmer would be a suitable leader.

 

[dannyboy]

It’s a rigged system. Look at the votes per seat column.

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Only going to get worse. Aren't they wanting to rig the boundaries?

 

[zzr45]

Where is the evidence for that?

Mate don’t hold your breathe for it, he comes in. Writes some platitudes nicked from Twitter and off he pops.

 

[Kev The Rat]

This is all just a repeat of the referendum.

Don't like the result? Blame it on 101 different reasons other than the truth.

Labour didn't win because of the media, Tory lies , the media telling you not to like Corbyn , brexit etc How is that different to people voted leave because they are all racists ?

It was a an exact re run of the referendum and the reasons for the result were the same. The people wanted and still want to leave.

 

[Kev The Rat]

No. The electorate has adamantly told Labour that manifesto is grossly unappealing. Tony Blair showed what Labour has to do.

No they haven’t. Explain to me what Tony Blair and high level unemployment northern towns have in common.

 

[Eggs]

Why do you not dislike him if you think he has no values or decency? Do you think they're desirable traits?

...I think candidates for high office should have a decent set of values. His ‘Everton wives’ tweet was quite ignorant. It’s not that it was anti-Everton, it’s just a poor reflection of the person. I did say that in my e-mail. I don’t dislike him, I just think Labour need to select candidates who are better than that.

This is all about Labour becoming electable. They need to be better.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Where is the evidence for that?

You need to explain why towns that have voted labour for 100 years and have no ‘middle class’ to be ‘robbed’ from have suddenly voted Conservative.

 

[Blue 1]

It was a an exact re run of the referendum and the reasons for the result were the same. The people wanted and still want to leave.

That's pyar drivel though mate. 54% of the popular vote was for parties offering a second referendum.

 

[dholliday]

No they haven’t. Explain to me what Tony Blair and high level unemployment northern towns have in common.

eh?

the point is Labour's manifesto was too far left, too marxist. The electorate aren't keen, and never have been. Blair's Labour was centre-left. Under that manifesto they won 3 elections in a row.

 

[longers]

Tony Blair showed what Labour has to do.

Get in bed with Murdoch so the press don't annihilate you ? I know that's not the only reason he got elected but it sure was a big one.

 

[Kev The Rat]

eh?

the point is Labour's manifesto was too far left, too marxist. The electorate aren't keen, and never have been. Blair's Labour was centre-left. Under that manifesto they won 3 elections in a row.

My point being you need to tell me why northern towns who’ve never voted conservative and have no trappings of wealth suddenly become conservative voters.

Look you and many others want to remain - I get that. But at some point you have to realise that tragically it’s what’s cost Labour this election.

 

[dholliday]

It’s a rigged system. Look at the votes per seat column.

That might be an argument if the Tories also lost the popular vote, but they got 3.6m more voters than Labour.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

No. The electorate has adamantly told Labour that manifesto is grossly unappealing. Tony Blair showed what Labour has to do.

The electorate have voted brexit, nothing more, stop trying to dress it up as a rejection of Labour policies like every Tory is trying to do, you just can't stop lying and spinning.

 

[dholliday]

My point being you need to tell me why northern towns who’ve never voted conservative and have no trappings of wealth suddenly become conservative voters.

Look you and many others want to remain - I get that. But at some point you have to realise that tragically it’s what’s cost Labour this election.

eh??

you're getting me mixed up with someone else.

 

[dholliday]

The electorate have voted brexit, nothing more, stop trying to dress it up as a rejection of Labour policies like every Tory is trying to do, you just can't stop lying and spinning.

that is a very weak argument you have there.

if the masses were for Brexit anyway, then voting Labour would've also delivered Brexit as Corbyn promised a 2nd-ref.