Don't blame you.
Personally, seeing Swinson gone is the best part of all of this for me. Couldn't be more richly deserved.
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Don't blame you.
Personally, seeing Swinson gone is the best part of all of this for me. Couldn't be more richly deserved.
dholliday
deconstructed rep
stricter than any Tory benefits policy i'm aware of.
Catfish Blues
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Worked though, and I'd much rather have watered down socialist principles in charge than Tories.
Zatara
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Whats happened there...wasnt her seat considered 'safe' ? How many did she lose by?
Not often you see a party leader lose their seat lol
dholliday
deconstructed rep
ouch...it's like the tail-end of a game of Civilization.
The binman chronicles
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You can't live off values. Either the party gets into the mindset of doing what it takes to win and if that means compromises then so be it, or you can say only a pure socialist Labour is worth having and therefore the people Labour are supposed to stand up for are on their own because the party will be mostly watching from the sidelines.
If I'm starving I'd rather have half a cracker than reject it because it isn't a whole one.
Kev The Rat
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The second ref was an attempt to reverse the initial result. Remainers think they can dupe people with this - they can’t.
dholliday
deconstructed rep
it's the same with most democratic states, there's only ever really two major parties that win.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
lol
Nah it wasn’t a safe seat. She was under massive pressure from the SNP and it was widely considered a possibility that she could be in trouble.
Didn’t do herself any favours with her seeming outright hostility to Labour.
Toast
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Alan Whittle
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I saw it more as "Mummy knows best" rather than hostility.
Old Blue 2
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My take on the catastophe that was Labour's performance at the polls yesterday, having had time for it to sink in.
1. It has been stated in here with the last 24 hours that the media influenced the electorate. I don't buy that. The media (including the Government) did all it could in 2016 to persuade the country to 'Remain'. The electorate made their own choice then. I consider the electorate did the same with this General Election - they made their own minds up.
2. With reference to the above point, I'm referring to the geographical swathe of the middle and north of England, Labour strongholds that turned against Labour yesterday.
3. Why did this happen? One has to go back to the Referendum result, I believe. From what we have been told, there were around 3-5 million Labour voters who voted to leave in that part of England. With that having been carried, they expected those in power to see it through. What happened?
4. Instead of Corbyn & the Labour Party heirarchy coming out and stating that they would abide by the majority decision, and support it, there was almost nothing, other than a pledge for a second Referendum. What WERE they thinking? Having voted once, and carried the day, that part of the Labour support DID NOT want to hear that. Yet Corbyn & McDonell continued to advance this mantra right up to polling day - unbelieveable!
5. Furthermore, when it came to voting on the Brexit deal placed before Parliament, the PLP voted against it. AND, it refused to go for a General Election when first offered the opportunity. In fact, more than once.
As one who has voted Labour all my life, and did so yesterday, I was aghast at all of the above in paragraphs 4 & 5. It appeared to me that personal preference of many Labour MPs came before implementing what was decided by what may be termed the will of the electorate in the Referendum. It is now obvious in hindsight, that a lot, if not most, of those I mentioned in paragraph 2 above thought the same. Not only that, but if the PLP were ignoring them, then they in turn would ignore the prospective Labour candidates in their constituency. And so it proved to be, with devastating effect.
The Labour Party can recover from this major setback. But it needs more than 'reflection'. It needs a hard-nosed leader who will energise the party from the top all the way down to the ordinary person with clarity as to what they are about, AND an organisation set in place that will be in tune with what the ordinary voters want and expect. The PLP lamentably failed ALL Labour Party supporters and voters (actual and potential) in the election - shame on them all.
1. It has been stated in here with the last 24 hours that the media influenced the electorate. I don't buy that. The media (including the Government) did all it could in 2016 to persuade the country to 'Remain'. The electorate made their own choice then. I consider the electorate did the same with this General Election - they made their own minds up.
2. With reference to the above point, I'm referring to the geographical swathe of the middle and north of England, Labour strongholds that turned against Labour yesterday.
3. Why did this happen? One has to go back to the Referendum result, I believe. From what we have been told, there were around 3-5 million Labour voters who voted to leave in that part of England. With that having been carried, they expected those in power to see it through. What happened?
4. Instead of Corbyn & the Labour Party heirarchy coming out and stating that they would abide by the majority decision, and support it, there was almost nothing, other than a pledge for a second Referendum. What WERE they thinking? Having voted once, and carried the day, that part of the Labour support DID NOT want to hear that. Yet Corbyn & McDonell continued to advance this mantra right up to polling day - unbelieveable!
5. Furthermore, when it came to voting on the Brexit deal placed before Parliament, the PLP voted against it. AND, it refused to go for a General Election when first offered the opportunity. In fact, more than once.
As one who has voted Labour all my life, and did so yesterday, I was aghast at all of the above in paragraphs 4 & 5. It appeared to me that personal preference of many Labour MPs came before implementing what was decided by what may be termed the will of the electorate in the Referendum. It is now obvious in hindsight, that a lot, if not most, of those I mentioned in paragraph 2 above thought the same. Not only that, but if the PLP were ignoring them, then they in turn would ignore the prospective Labour candidates in their constituency. And so it proved to be, with devastating effect.
The Labour Party can recover from this major setback. But it needs more than 'reflection'. It needs a hard-nosed leader who will energise the party from the top all the way down to the ordinary person with clarity as to what they are about, AND an organisation set in place that will be in tune with what the ordinary voters want and expect. The PLP lamentably failed ALL Labour Party supporters and voters (actual and potential) in the election - shame on them all.
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