Current Affairs The General Election

[peteblue]

He is in a very strong position to win. I don't think people can underestimate the importance of crossing the rubicon and voting for Labour to Tory, or stopping voting, or voting Tory for the first time and what that means.

I know you are not a fan of Corbyn and I don't mean to be churlish because I supported the manifesto and it lost, however from an outside perspective do you believe Labour taking a more centrist, more pro remain MP as leader who will refuse to acknowledge the damage of not delivering Brexit has done to the party is really going to magically solve Labour's problems? It might sound sour grapes from me, and I don't want it to be, but I just can't see it. I don't think they will know how to win those voters back.

Labour lost because they failed to follow the wishes of the country regarding Brexit....

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm looking forward to Sturgeon asking for a 2nd Ref off Johnson, I must say.

She doesn't need to ask him. It's not his decision. They have a clear mandate, and will push ahead with one as they promised. Scotland will leave the UK I imagine.

 

[havrey0123]

He didn't expose anything as it wasn't a lie.

Watch the interview on the bbc

 

[Number_25]

Amazing how the Conservatives didn't run a campaign in Ceredigion and yet took second place for the first time.

I don't even know where to go from here. We've embraced the politics of Trump, and I don't know if we can go back.

 

[davids]

I have my doubts. Labour not staying true to what they said in 2017 has shot them in the foot.

The reality is though, the Tories were very clear that the NHS would get record funding, and there would be no part of it on the table for the trade negotiations. I think people believed them. We can look sneeringly about it, but they have kept their word on Brexit, so why wouldn't they? I can't think of anything the Tories have said where they have gone back on their words on.

The NHS is critical though, if it's given to America, or medicines start rising in price etc there will be fall back. However if we continue as we are now, I suspect there will be some sympathy towards the tories on the issue.

Honestly believe 2017 was long forgotten.Demonisation of Corbyn and the anti-Sematism card played by the Right Wing press did the trick.

 

[davmaher]

The BBC have done a basic break-down of where votes went in strong Leave and Remain areas this time versus the 2017 result:

Strong Leave Strong Remain

Conservative +6.1% -2.9%

Labour -10.4% -6.4%

Lib Dems +2.6% +4.7%

The Conservative vote went pretty much where most people would have expected - improved in strong Leave areas and declined in strong Remain areas. Their increase in Leave areas far out-weighed their losses in Remain areas.

Labour was actually heavily down in both Leave and Remain areas, albeit more so in Leave areas. If the election was about Brexit, then Labour's policy has basically put everyone off. I suspect the Corbyn effect has played a massive part in these numbers, though.

The Lib Dem results look weird a first glance, as they show them up in both strong Leave and strong Remain areas. I wonder if this reflects tactical voting taking place in strong Leave areas?

 

[dannyboy]

Burnham could well be Prime Minister today if he had won the Labour leadership election.
He's not daft enough to throw his hat in now, but he could easily have won yesterday.

I think he deserves a lot of credit for his stance on Brexit. He was one of the few who cautioned against the 2nd referendum.

The problem was that in 2015 he and the other candidates showed a lack of vision in the leadership race. I know Andy personally and tbh I´m glad he didn´t get it. He wouldn´t have had the Corbyn levels of crap to put up with from the media but it would have been close.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Ye and these companies would of left the country, then what.

Like they left under Labour when Corp Tax was 28%.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

She doesn't need to ask him. It's not his decision. They have a clear mandate, and will push ahead with one as they promised. Scotland will leave the UK I imagine.

 

[peteblue]

She doesn't need to ask him. It's not his decision. They have a clear mandate, and will push ahead with one as they promised. Scotland will leave the UK I imagine.

It‘s not her decision. No matter the rhetoric from Sturgeon, the decision belongs to Boris......my own view is that if Scotland wishes to leave then they should go....

 

[Groucho]

It’s a rigged system. Look at the votes per seat column.

 

[longers]

just wanted to pop in to emphasise what a horrendous little shithead that dandydan is, what kind of sad case watches his party win an election and then goes on a forum where said party are despised and then spends two hours trying to wind everyone up ? It’s like supporting Liverpool, wining the league and then going and celebrating on an Everton forum.

Next level shittheadery from a confirmed incel

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Sedgefield, 18k majority for Blair in 2005, 4k majority Tory today.

Some of these swings in Labour seats are astonishing to the Labour party, it was on the cards when they told 5m Labour leavers to do one.

 

[Blue Roo]

really

Well not really mate. Facebook was convinced I was a Mexican immigrant who owned a gym and had kids. The validity of the data provided was absolutely atrocious.

Really? What have you been up to...

Seriously the way the algorithims work, the way the systems work which the data are sourced from (have a good look at twitter for eg), the way the data is used and targeted, is astonishingly scary, and with each byte the algorithms learn more and more, the methods used more more invasive.
The collection of data going on at the moment to determine efficacy of that data on the election would make you whirl and hurl.

If you think you have your own mind and thoughts and communicate that to those around you, at least consider the tight constraints/parameters of the conversations we have about things discussed and not discussed leading up to the election.

Or just consider, imagine yourself in isolation for a long while
Locked in a cell, no contact with anyone else.
How long would it take to lose your sanity.
Now walk outside and try and gain back your sanity. How do you go about that.

We have a common discourse we all attach ourselves to no matter the way you position ourselves within that discourse,
otherwise we become disorientated socially.

What we are talking about now is the discourse being a lest contested realm and one becoming more and more tightly constrained (in the interests of those that hold power - namely those that own the capital/wealth which they are trying to protect at all costs and accumulate more of)

The production of data and use of algorithims to use that information has made that happen.
Its why the ownership of data is just as important now as the ownership of traditional resources..

 

[Blue 1]

Seriously keeping Abbott in such a senior position was one of Corbyn's biggest mistakes. She would've been Home Secretary.

And how is that any more of a problem than the current home secretary? A woman who lies slightly to the right of "fascist" on the political compass, wants to bring back hanging, scrap the Human Rights Act, threatened the Irish with food shortages as leverage for Brexit, disapproves of same sex marriage, shills for alcohol and tobacco companies in the Commons and was previously sacked for holding secret meetings with the Israeli government?