Current Affairs The General Election

[Barry Rathbone]

I'm looking forward to Sturgeon asking for a 2nd Ref off Johnson, I must say.

I've yet to meet a Scot who has a good word to say about her

 

[peteblue]

Taking his medicine, soon to make a statement from Islington town hall.

I wonder if he will mention the NHS being sold to Trump.....

 

[havrey0123]

Labour's manifesto benefited greatly 95% of the population in this country, only those earning above 80k were going to get a little squeeze.

Nope, Andrew Neil exposed that lie, even people on low income would of been hit.

 

[edge]

That internet world was extremely influential in initiating the idea of Brexit and propelling its momentum.
Have you ever heard of Cambridge Analytica (would be interested to know)
If you haven't have a look at The Great Hack on Netflix

yep i know about them mate

 

[havrey0123]

It was costed, billions was coming from the corporation tax rise to 26%, still below Italy, Germany, France who have much higher rates.

Ye and these companies would of left the country, then what.

 

[catcherintherye]

The dust has settled a little from last night. I ended up leafletting and door knocking for many hours in the evening so was a bit exhausted by the end. I was surprised by the result, as the feeling I had was that I was cautiously optimistic.

I expected the Tories to win around 330, less than the 345ish they were being predicted but enough to govern, albeit with a tricky majority. It looks as if the majority will be around about the 35-40 region. I didn't see them going higher than that, and that was really my upper end estimate for them, but in truth I thought they would be lower.

Lots of problems for Labour. Corbyn has been very cautious in between elections, passive, naive and a little too nice. He then has a manifesto which is extremely radical. For a lot of people I think they've really struggled to match those things.

You also have to factor in Brexit, they haven't handled the position decisively. I know we are getting lots of figures and journalists who support remain who are refusing to acknowledge this as an issue. I am completely sympathetic to the idea of Corbyn being unpopular, but why were seats won/saved in Remain areas, and lost in Leave areas? At some point they have to accept the pivot to a 2nd referendum has been a poor move.

Longer term there are worrying trends. Outside of big cities we are now a peripheral party. It used to just be in the south of England where this was the case. Scotland has completely gone and now the Midlands and North have followed. All sections of the party find it very difficult to talk to and win support from the poorest in society (classic working class areas). This is because the left have failed to protect them from the worst ravages of right wing policy for 40 years. The fault lies with all of us who try to do so.

I don't suspect these issues will be dealt with in the next leadership election.

 

[davids]

The country voted to leave the EU. Labour was elected on a manifesto promising to enact this vote. They did everything they could to stop Brexit. The people care more about democracy than MP’s. A political party really does get the votes it deserves.....

Good luck on getting that trade deal done with the EU and the US by the end of next year.This is when it really starts to hit the fan.

 

[Khalekan]

I have just heard that Caroline Flint has lost her seat....

 

[davids]

I've yet to meet a Scot who has a good word to say about her

And yet they vote,odd really.

 

[peteblue]

Good luck on getting that trade deal done with the EU and the US by the end of next year.This is when it really starts to hit the fan.

my guess is that he will do it, and even if he doesn’t we’ll forgive him......

 

[The binman chronicles]

What is done is done now and just like I have said before I didn't want Brexit knowing it would cause damage, but that doesn't mean I want it to go full pete tong so I have the privilege of saying 'I told you so', the same goes with this shower of barely human beings. Hopefully they move away from the right and start acting sensibly for the benefit of the whole country.

Only problem is they may see this as an affirmative that they can be massive bells and people will still vote for them.

I do feel heartbroken by the traditional Labour constituencies voting in not only a Tory government but this Tory one with all its moderates ejected and with Boris and JRM at the head. Absolutely no words can describe the lunacy of it all.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think Boris is more of a pragmatist than an ideologist, he will do the right thing and may well win the next election...

He is in a very strong position to win. I don't think people can underestimate the importance of crossing the rubicon and voting for Labour to Tory, or stopping voting, or voting Tory for the first time and what that means.

I know you are not a fan of Corbyn and I don't mean to be churlish because I supported the manifesto and it lost, however from an outside perspective do you believe Labour taking a more centrist, more pro remain MP as leader who will refuse to acknowledge the damage of not delivering Brexit has done to the party is really going to magically solve Labour's problems? It might sound sour grapes from me, and I don't want it to be, but I just can't see it. I don't think they will know how to win those voters back.

 

[davids]

my guess is that he will do it, and even if he doesn’t we’ll forgive him......

Guess again,then take a look at how long real trade deals take to complete.But if your happy with a Boris fairy tale,on you go.

 

[catcherintherye]

Think this election has proved that nothing is politically damaging for more than a few days.Sell the NHS in 2021 and still loads of time for social amnesia.

I have my doubts. Labour not staying true to what they said in 2017 has shot them in the foot.

The reality is though, the Tories were very clear that the NHS would get record funding, and there would be no part of it on the table for the trade negotiations. I think people believed them. We can look sneeringly about it, but they have kept their word on Brexit, so why wouldn't they? I can't think of anything the Tories have said where they have gone back on their words on.

The NHS is critical though, if it's given to America, or medicines start rising in price etc there will be fall back. However if we continue as we are now, I suspect there will be some sympathy towards the tories on the issue.

 

[catcherintherye]

Nope, Andrew Neil exposed that lie, even people on low income would of been hit.

He didn't expose anything as it wasn't a lie.