Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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Precisely - it’s a shame Marx’s theories have became so tainted by propaganda as they’ve never been more relevant.

In Vietnam I always tell students to actually read Marx, which everyone is "supposed" to read in school but never does.

His work provides a very perceptive (and ironically very subversive) critique of the unrestricted authoritarian capitalism that prevails there, and it is more or less hiding in plain sight - the Communist Party having at great expense and care had all of his works very capably translated and distributed.

In China, university students have started forming Marx studies groups, to pore over and debate his works. Then they turn up at iPhone factories to organise the workers, whereupon the police beat the daylights out of them, then throw them in prison.

I realise as I'm typing this that it has little to do with the UK election - soz, Dear Reader.
 
C'mon lads...yous don't seriously believe BJ is actually writing "stupid because he was a coon" without any kind of context?

In his book, the coon in question is a character called Dean. According to a NY Times review, Dean is "the most sympathetic character in the book". So when there's a passage like:

"Dean shrank before him, and the ambiguities in his status seemed to fade away. There it was, en clair, decoded. He was a coon, and he was stupid, and he was stupid because he was a coon. "

It's clearly implying the world of this book is a racist one, which Dean tried to hide with ambiguity, but once that wore off, he was confronted with racism and its victim's inherent feelings of self-doubt. The character of Dean is a terrorist from the Midlands, albeit drawn sympathetically. I expect the author's intentions are to show what can happen to a put-upon minority.

If anything, it seems quite a liberal work. Upon release in 2004, it didn't cause controversy as obviously people read it as intended.
Mark Lawson might disagree with you

That said, it's a novel, it is seemingly done for framing the environment rather than racist intent. There's no need to try to manufacture offense when there are many other examples of his racism to draw on.
 
This was eloquently pointed out, that when Corbyn said even if they did everything in the manifesto on day 1, the level of spending would still be below France and Germany. Let that sink in a bit.

All these radical measures, the fact it would costs trillions of pounds apparently, andeven if everything was done instantly we'd still not be at the level of our two nearest neighbours. What does that tell you about where we are situated currently? Last time I checked neither France nor Germany were part of the Soviet bloc, they were both thriving capitalist countries, one with a right of centre, liberal banker running them, the other with the German equivalent of the Tories managing them.
We are a neo-liberal state in the making. On a fast track to Corporate fascism.

The fools voting for Johnson and the Tories, will in 18 months time. be hand wringing and wailing about how they could ever have voted Tory. They actually think "Juss Gerrin Bregsit Dun" will make life better for them. They're going to be annihilated. And they'll have to wait 5 years to make ammends.

Thick as two short planks these people.
 
No it doesn't. I want things to improve. I just don't trust this Labour party to do it.

And haven't you just proved my point? I never claimed it was a 'sophisticated' view. It's just what I believe. But you seem to call me thick because I dare not believe that a party which looks set to lose its third straight election to a load of completely horrid Tories who have done no good for this country might actually need to change?
That's just an excuse for not doing the right thing. As if you cant distinguish between what the Tories are going to do with what Labour have promised.

Do me a 'kin favour mate.
 
Labour shadow minister says he was 'only joking' to friend when he said Labour would lose election.

A Labour shadow minister has said he was only joking and "joshing around" when he told a friend that his party would lose the general election.

Leaked tapes show Jonathan Ashworth said the situation for the party in seats like Mansfield and Ashfield was "dire" because of a "combination of Corbyn and Brexit".

But he told BBC News: "I'm joshing around with somebody who I thought was an old friend who's now leaked it to Guido Fawkes [a blog]. He's a Tory and we've always had a bit of banter together. I'm winding him up, teasing him."

He added: "We are going to win, we're going to win this general election, because people are fed up with the Tory cuts to the general election and they're fed ups with the waiting lists going higher and higher."

Mr Ashworth said he had been made to look like a "plonker" by his friend, a former Conservative MP, who sent the tape of their conversation to Tory attack blog Guido Fawkes.

The tapes show Mr Ashworth telling his friend: "They can't stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour’s doing well among… but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority."
 
Labour shadow minister says he was 'only joking' to friend when he said Labour would lose election.

A Labour shadow minister has said he was only joking and "joshing around" when he told a friend that his party would lose the general election.

Leaked tapes show Jonathan Ashworth said the situation for the party in seats like Mansfield and Ashfield was "dire" because of a "combination of Corbyn and Brexit".

But he told BBC News: "I'm joshing around with somebody who I thought was an old friend who's now leaked it to Guido Fawkes [a blog]. He's a Tory and we've always had a bit of banter together. I'm winding him up, teasing him."

He added: "We are going to win, we're going to win this general election, because people are fed up with the Tory cuts to the general election and they're fed ups with the waiting lists going higher and higher."

Mr Ashworth said he had been made to look like a "plonker" by his friend, a former Conservative MP, who sent the tape of their conversation to Tory attack blog Guido Fawkes.

The tapes show Mr Ashworth telling his friend: "They can't stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour’s doing well among… but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority."
Seen that before stupid of him that, always thought he came across pretty decent as well shame he was do naive as to believe a Tory could be trusted on anything.
They would sell there ma for a profit never mind a so called friend.
 
We are a neo-liberal state in the making. On a fast track to Corporate fascism.

The fools voting for Johnson and the Tories, will in 18 months time. be hand wringing and wailing about how they could ever have voted Tory. They actually think "Juss Gerrin Bregsit Dun" will make life better for them. They're going to be annihilated. And they'll have to wait 5 years to make ammends.

Thick as two short planks these people.


I am clutching at straws here but I reckon the next election will "only" be a maximum of four and a half years away because surely we will revert to summer election next time

Doesn't sound as far away, put like that :)
 
The Ashworth story makes banner headlines across the right-wing press so why no mention of this true story which proves how corrupt our press truly is and I suspect they would claim this as fake news

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That's just an excuse for not doing the right thing. As if you cant distinguish between what the Tories are going to do with what Labour have promised.

Do me a 'kin favour mate.

What?

Labour's promises mean about as much to me as the Tories' ones. F all.

I'm not gonna vote Tory. I don't like people dying or being homeless. But I'm not gonna vote for a Labour party I think fundamentally has a lot of things wrong, either.

And since my vote genuinely doesn't matter in this case, then there's no reason for me to 'vote tactically' either.

Labour never seen to learn lessons. Just blame everyone else.
 
Seen that before stupid of him that, always thought he came across pretty decent as well shame he was do naive as to believe a Tory could be trusted on anything.
They would sell there ma for a profit never mind a so called friend.

When he said " the situation for the party in seats like Mansfield and Ashfield was "dire" because of a "combination of Corbyn and Brexit". I thought it was a bit daft to try and make out he was only 'joshing' when he said it.
 
Javid makes me cringe every time he speaks. A man who sold dog muck credit default swaps during his time as a banker, contributing to the great recession of 2008, lecturing the country about the dangers of Labour in a risibly hyperbolic manner. "Crisis by Christmas". Really?

Get in the bin, you creepy, shiny-headed, power-stancing little freak.
He’s an utter coward. Terrible minister
 
The Ashworth story makes banner headlines across the right-wing press so why no mention of this true story which proves how corrupt our press truly is and I suspect they would claim this as fake news

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Because it's boring, whiny crap that everyone knows anyway? Mail on Sunday lied about Corbyn? Shocker. See also: Bear defecates in woods. Pope Catholic.
 
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