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[dholliday]

The late 70's were a bit like now. An economic model was falling apart. It required something different.

The Labour governments of the 40's, 50's and 60's oversaw the biggest growth rates of the last 200 years in this country. We've not got close to that since.

When you speak of growth, I assume you mean GDP. The post-war decades were a massive boom time (naturally) for all non-communist European states. You can't keep that up forever. In Germany we call those decades the Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle). In power at the time were the conservative CDU (rather than the Labour-equivalent SPD).

Meaning, that fast growth would've happened under any relatively stable government as post-war decades were a very specific moment in time.

But even then, looking at GDP-growth of UK since post-war, I'm not seeing such a dramatic fall as you imply. I'm seeing ups and downs until Soviet Union broke up, then solid stability until the crash of 2008.

 

[BlueToff]

I understand the sentiment, but there must be a Party that aligns with some of your own core principles? Even if they mis-align with others. For me personally I really rate some of Corbyn's core beliefs highly (anti-war etc), so that they weigh more than a lot of the guff that comes out his Party.

Labour do, generally. But then I don't agree with how they go about things and like I've said, under any scrutiny it's just 'blame the media', 'blame the voters', 'blame thick people or racists or Brexit'.

I want them to be better and I don't see it happening.

 

[BlueToff]

It leaves you wanting the staus quo of underfunded hospitals, a low wage economy and pandering to a phobia of immigrants. THAT is where it leaves you.

Dont parade your indecision as 'sophisticated' because it's not - it's reactionary.

No it doesn't. I want things to improve. I just don't trust this Labour party to do it.

And haven't you just proved my point? I never claimed it was a 'sophisticated' view. It's just what I believe. But you seem to call me thick because I dare not believe that a party which looks set to lose its third straight election to a load of completely horrid Tories who have done no good for this country might actually need to change?

 

[dholliday]

Labour do, generally. But then I don't agree with how they go about things and like I've said, under any scrutiny it's just 'blame the media', 'blame the voters', 'blame thick people or racists or Brexit'.

I want them to be better and I don't see it happening.

Yes, this especially has done my head in. I try to show the other side's reasoning so that folk may reign in their prejudices...but most are so set in their belief systems...

 

[abelard]

Yes, this especially has done my head in. I try to show the other side's reasoning so that folk may reign in their prejudices...but most are so set in their belief systems...

It's a shame we can't all be as wise and objective as you

 

[BlueToff]

It's a shame we can't all be as wise and objective as you

I'm not - and I don't think dholiday is - saying there aren't racists or thick people. But the tendency to pin blame anywhere but where it actually should lie (the anti-semitism stuff is the perfect example, even though I 100% don't think JC is anti-semitic) is a problem with either this current party or their support (which has become more cultish than anything else really).

 

[ramacca]

Yesterday will be seen as a turning point against Johnson. The photo of the 4 year old boy, Johnson's response to looking at the photo, taking the phone and putting it in his pocket. Then the cover-up/fake news/deflection from the Tories from CCHQ about the non punch on Hammond's adviser gleefully put out by Kuenssberg and Peston. Now Iain Dale is claiming that, Joe Pike the journalist who was interviewing Johnson is being briefed against by the Tories.


Trolls claim photo of boy on hospital floor was faked by Labour activists

Social media Fake claim about hospital boy 'came from hacked account'

 

[Jebus_lives]

By that logic, didn't New Labour also?

What relevance does that have to this election?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a shame we can't all be as wise and objective as you

To be fair, we're drawn to this thread like a moth to a flame

 

[Deleted member 48881]

'I was hacked,' says woman whose account claimed hospital boy photo was staged

Woman denies posting false information – since shared by at least five Conservative candidates – that photo was a stunt

www.theguardian.com

 

[abelard]

To be fair, we're drawn to this thread like a moth to a flame

When @dholiday joins a thread, it is like inviting someone to join five-a-side - but instead, despite not fully understanding the offside rule, he insists not only on playing the referee but on acting all haughty about it too: "Sigh.... only I, the elevated and dispassionate observer, enjoy the capacity to grasp the more refined art of the rules, about which I wearily endeavour to inform you lowly tribalists, yet of which you remain stubbornly and childishly oblivious, in your passion for the base pursuit of scoring goals. How disappointed I am, in all of you..."

I actually much prefer it when we can drop the silly pretense that this is meant to be Raphael's School of Athens, and I can just accuse you of being ignorant and heartless while you accuse me of being sophomoric and emotional ; )

 

[dholliday]

When @dholiday joins a thread, it is like inviting someone to join five-a-side - but instead, despite not fully understanding the offside rule, he not only insists on playing the referee but acts all haughty about it too: "Sigh.... only I, the elevated and dispassionate observer, enjoy the capacity to grasp the more refined art of the rules, about which I wearily endeavour to inform you lowly tribalists, yet of which you remain stubbornly and childishly oblivious, in your passion for the base pursuit of scoring goals. How disappointed I am, in all of you..."

actually laughed out loud at that lol

 

[DanEFC92]

It's a shame we can't all be as wise and objective as you

Enlightened centrist has #loggedon

 

[davmaher]

When @dholiday joins a thread, it is like inviting someone to join five-a-side - but instead, despite not fully understanding the offside rule, he insists not only on playing the referee but on acting all haughty about it too: "Sigh.... only I, the elevated and dispassionate observer, enjoy the capacity to grasp the more refined art of the rules, about which I wearily endeavour to inform you lowly tribalists, yet of which you remain stubbornly and childishly oblivious, in your passion for the base pursuit of scoring goals. How disappointed I am, in all of you..."

I actually much prefer it when we can drop the silly pretense that this is meant to be Raphael's School of Athens, and I can just accuse you of being ignorant and heartless while you accuse me of being sophomoric and emotional ; )

Good post, but unfortunately there is no off-side in 5 a side.

 

[DanEFC92]